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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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team sports hey Tim Tim so what are you

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what are you doing out here with those

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binoculars the desert isn't the best

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place to birdwatch are you looking for

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Thunderbird not no Tim no I understand

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the message just came through the Ouija

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board telling us that a spaceship to put

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the land this afternoon at a specific

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location and a man from Venus would

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appear for our benefit Oh so are you the

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new George Adamski or something is is or

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if I'm going to pop up from behind a

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rock of course and here comes that

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bell-shaped ship with three ball in and

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gear and all maybe they'll take us for a

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ride to Venus okay well you can do that

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I'm gonna head back for the kco our

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Studios I've had enough of this guy

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watching now say hello for me oh I I

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certainly will or Athan or thong but

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good good - good to meet you my you're

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tall handsome looking Aryan type of guy

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well Tim I'll call you when I get back

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from Venus if you will okay I'm back

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from Venus Tim that was a quick trip

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well you know how it is out there in the

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time-warp land I'm back before I left

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well I think you're one of several

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several hundred Oh

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the years from Earth that have visited

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the planet Venus may be more well well

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you know it is the evening star and and

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and it's such a it's such a good view of

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the solar system from up there I I can

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see all the way up past the your Jupiter

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and Mars lots of planets to explore just

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like there are a lot of yes to talk to

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right that's right that's right well as

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always on exploring the Bazaar we try to

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we try to bring some of the best guests

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that are out there and I'm really happy

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tonight that we've we've got two two

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gentlemen that I've been I've been

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waiting to have them on our show with

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talk about their new book so we'll start

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out first with with Greg Bishop now uh

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Greg has interested in facts that don't

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fit from an early age in 1991 he

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co-founded one of my favorite early

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magazines called the excluded middle

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I've still got some issues somewhere

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back in my extended collection but the

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excluded middle was a journal of UFOs

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conspiracy research psyckadeli and new

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he also wrote the book called a wake up

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down there which featured his articles

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and other features and that was

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published in the year 2000 his second

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book was the absolutely a fabulous

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project beta the story of a Paul

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bennewitz National Security and the

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creation of the modern UFO myth now his

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current book along with our other guests

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that greatly is a for a demske features

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not only more well known UFO contactees

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but also some of the lesser-known though

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I bet Tim you probably are familiar with

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the content I pray I went for him rides

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half-dozen I mean but Nelson and I were

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really thankful urgency that's gone dog

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here man you know I mean that dog that

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dog gotta go I felt like opening up that

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port window and just letting him drift

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or off into and into space I mean yeah

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was just shed like a son of a [\h__\h] I

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swear when I Gregg's also the host of

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the the webcast radio mysterioso which

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can be herded to radio Mysterio so calm

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and with an ambulance every year every

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year program yeah that's right only the

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only the most special guests get the

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gift of sirens in the back all right so

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I guess is Adam currently as I said

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before now Adam for over two decades has

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had articles appeared in nearly every

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zine underground magazine

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countercultural publication and

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conspiratorial articles of magical

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websites imaginable he was bringing a

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mischievous sense of prankster

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discordianism to the zany world of

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fringe culture and what so greatly

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connects his dots readers are plunged

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into alternative universes which forever

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alter their view of reality now Adam of

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course is the the co-author along with

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that Greg on the a is for Adam ski and

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that's what we're here to talk about the

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the weird and wonderful world of contact

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are these are two of my favorite Bros

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they're here I mean these are the guys

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from the UFO Adam how are you doing man

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how are you doing out there great that

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Tim thanks for having the song minutes

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there I couldn't hear you guys it sounds

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like a robot trying to talk but glad

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you're back maybe it was a gray bark or

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Mokes leanness from the afterlife I

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don't know but maybe it was only me but

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yeah I couldn't hear you guys just till

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right now but yeah and that was the best

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part of the program so far it has been

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you know we'll have to we'll have to

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redo it let's start from the top tip

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let's go hey so Adam do you believe well

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tell us about George Adamski I'm sure

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that 98.5 percent of the people

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listening to this program know who

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George Adamski is but there might be a

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few people under the age of 21 out there

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getting higher drinking beer who having

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a clue so let's go let's go back to that

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great era in ufology when every space

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man in the goddamn universe was landing

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in the Mojave Desert and and and taking

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a fellas and women and women and men I

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guess for a for a ride and just like

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they took the public for a ride I

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suppose I don't know where it's up to

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you you know but anyway let's go back

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let's start out there go back as far as

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you want

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well talk about all the sightings out

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there in the desert I guess that would

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be considered the seminal one the first

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one I mean there was you know there's

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been other accounts of other sightings

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out there that but that was the first of

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you know the or Chthon type Venusian

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this kind of ascended master type so

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that you know that kind of set the tone

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for a lot of the contactees that came

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after they followed George Adamski 's

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lead he seems to be the you call him the

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father of the contactee movement a lot

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of ways he helped launched with his

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sighting which allegedly occurred in

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1952 I forget the exact date or Thawne

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who you mentioned before one thing to

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damn ski he had a history prior to his

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meeting with or thawne in he was

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metaphysics and the order of the the

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order of the Tibet Tibetan dawn or

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something like that but we traced him

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back to about 1930 of fun we found an

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article in the Los Angeles Times he had

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set up a kind of a communal organization

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pyramid and have people move out to the

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the property and I know yeah yeah and

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history of this and and of course even

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landed he did a book guy that we

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reprinted called pioneers of space back

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in Tim was at 1947 I think where he

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claimed that he had gone out of war but

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it was a science fiction book and

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another very well-written one then and

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some people write he just changed Jesus

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Christ so or thought but I'm not sure

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that because most people just don't know

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the history of of Adamski and that was

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the place to be I mean he wasn't the

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only cult leader at that time everybody

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had gravitated to that part and there

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the desert for the Sun and meditation

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and while they were there the universe

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opened to them but you know people

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and I'm sure he bought this out in the

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book that his was totally a physical

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experience that there was nothing occult

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about it but that's not true because

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that meeting came about Hawaii because

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received a message on the Ouija board

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telling him where to go yeah that's the

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story I've

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heard that you know a week or so prior

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Williamson who was kind of a prodigy

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let's back up just a little bit trying

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to take chronologically you mentioned

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pioneers from space so that was 1947 as

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you noted it's published by your

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publishing yeah happy house and so you

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know 47 maybe it was coming into damn

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skis consciousness that's you know the

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same year that Arnold had his sighting

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who knows maybe you wanted to profit off

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this maybe it was from some type of

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genuine experience but it seemed like

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Wirthlin was kind of based on the

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character and pioneers from space and

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night in 1950 previously been at the

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Royal Order Tibet in Laguna Beach then

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telescopes and some people say he's

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trying to like associate himself with

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the observatory to get more people

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coming into his hamburger stand there

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but he claimed her claim during that

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time and he had photos to show of

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saucers he started taking photos of

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election lectures and some of the you

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know those lectures there was newspapers

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stories about this this was the guy who

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filmed had photos of saucers and service

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1950 so all of this was like a precursor

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to the or thon experience as you

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mentioned those photos were pretty good

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made of may have faked the latter ones

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but the the ones that he took passing

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over the moon there were other witnesses

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too I guess at that point that I had to

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come to that area I guess the Mount

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least in those days can you imagine

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could see you know I I remember being

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to Palm Palm Springs and you drive 50

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miles out of town

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in cheese if you lived in New York City

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you've never seen anything like that

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it's like being it's a Hayden

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encroached upon us the lights dimmed and

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the sorceress run away you talked about

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how you know there was a period of time

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when Adamski was going on record saying

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it's you know he was pushing the

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physical experience but Adamski actually

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had some history of a channeling and I'm

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hearing an echo come across here but and

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so I'm not sure that's the reason he met

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up with George hunt Williamson he was a

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trance channel or during that period

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another contacting and as you mentioned

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yeah a week or so before his sighting

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desert Center California Williamson yeah

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had some type of channeling or vision

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that they should go out to that actual

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location and they would come into

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contact with an extraterrestrial so they

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went out there and they loaded up the

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telescope and then there was like a half

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a dozen of them you know some of the

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names you've heard Lucy McGinnis and

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Alfred Bailey and his wife they were all

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part of this little clique that was

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interested in this stuff and that's you

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know where the stories start to conflict

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a little bit the original stories were

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that they all had witnessed or thana or

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a ship coming down and Adamski had the

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direct encounter according to the story

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they were set up at one point in damps

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key so I'm gonna go down the road and

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check this out like a quarter or half

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mile tick is helis telescope and set up

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and there and that's when war thong came

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down and his scout ship and they had a

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telepathic conversation or thon was the

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classic kind of Aryan Venusian with long

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blonde hair and he was kind of in a ski

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suit and tights jumpsuit had some inner

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Steen boots which later come into the

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story yeah yeah baby baby gray can talk

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about that in a little bit but and so

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apparently the rest of the group they

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didn't necessarily see or spawn but they

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saw some type of a ship come down later

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when Moseley went out there the next

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interview or the next year they

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interview those folks he found some

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conflicting elements and all their

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stories well that makes it a typical

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saucer case yeah right right yeah I mean

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that was the initial experience one the

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little anecdote I like from it was you

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know like a lot of these stories the

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spaceman had come down to preach

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universal love and to warn us about the

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pending dangers from messing around with

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atomic bombs and the only words that or

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athan said were boom boom and in damn

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ski took that to mean a warning that you

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Earthlings need to get off this a atomic

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bomb kick you know hmm boom boom boom

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before yeah yeah they bought a home

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together

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bada boom bada boom bada boom as they

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say but they they did apparently I mean

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according to the testimony that was in

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the the the boss which by the way Claire

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I believe Claire John was the

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ghostwriter on that my my roomie here

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and and a partner for many years Harold

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Sulkin the shared the house with Claire

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John in Washington DC so Adamski was not

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much of a writer to say the least and on

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both of his books he had he had

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assistants literary assistants nothing

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wrong with that certainly but you know I

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know for a fact that if you have a

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ghostwriter words are bound to change

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you know a little bit so you either

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believe the story I mean Adamski is one

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of the contactees from that period and I

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think you'd have to agree that that

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people still wrecking

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is the name and he still has a following

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you know that pioneers of space every

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month we sell a bit F dozen copies of it

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and there are those who believe and

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those who are utterly cynical about it

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would you put yourself in the middle

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well I'm leaning more towards cynicism

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but I don't totally believe or totally

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disbelieve I think Moseley came up with

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some interesting research and also the

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Stanford race stanford claimed that when

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he was visiting Palomar gardens mr. a

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damped ski was imbibing of the wine a

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bit too much and allegedly according to

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race stanford he took him back into his

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workshop and showed him how he made the

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phony saucers that he was filming and

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taking photos that were according to

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Moseley the at least one version of this

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was made out of a hubcap with ping-pong

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balls and if you look at that class and

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what wasn't on a chicken the brooder or

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feeder or something you know I worked

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for a gym and I knew him very very well

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Jim was very sarcastic in various

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cynical when he came to UFOs in in

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general and if somebody told him of

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something he would not do any research

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on his own and we just take it as gospel

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if Philip class told him something well

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then it must be true

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I mean he tended to believe things

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without ever verifying them you know

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yeah you got you got to give him credit

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though he was the first one to really go

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out and talk to all these people

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the year after 1953 he talked to damn

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skiing in that whole group that was out

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there so that you know that was

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important he was yeah you know he was

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skeptical about it at least he was

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getting out there and documented a lot

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of this stuff yeah yeah mm-hmm yeah I

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had limited the correspondence with the

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Adamski by time I got into this I guess

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she passed away what was it 65 yeah that

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sounds right

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yeah yeah he did have a representative

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here in New York Harry Hoffman who's he

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trying to organize a an event at the the

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World's Fair and I remember listening to

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the Long John show and one of the guests

401
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who was on said well the only way that

402
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that will ever happen is if the space

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people pay for it because he didn't he

404
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didn't come East that time but you know

405
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there are those who claim that all these

406
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contactees were making money well there

407
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never was any money to be made in this

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most of them traveled to run out on the

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Greyhound bus which is a disaster no

410
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matter how you look at it and and ended

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up sleeping at you know on the couches

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or in spare rooms around the country

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look at look at look at all the women

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that threw themselves at him I'm just

415
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kidding I don't know you got a you got a

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good yeah okay that that's a that's a

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plus no doubt about it and I understand

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Adamski like this women is almost as

419
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much as he than his wine yeah I would

420
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say that one thing you can say about

421
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Adamski he became the ambassador for

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that movement you know he was seen as

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the I said like the father of it but he

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was definitely an ambassador for the

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space brothers and you know there's a

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count he was traveling overseas

427
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spreading the message yeah so and it's

428
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not every day you meet with the the

429
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snuck out I think he snuck out there

430
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snuck in the back door at the Vatican or

431
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something right and to prove that he had

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met the Pope he had a medallion with the

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Pope's a figure on the front of it that

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some people say he bought in the

435
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concession stand but you know I don't

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know that for a for a fact maybe did

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meet with the Pope

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[Laughter]

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- yeah well Tim you were and you were in

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the Vatican I mean you you could have

441
00:23:01,180 --> 00:22:57,710
bought something you know for one of the

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the many souvenirs tops shops and said

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that with the Pope yeah on the way to

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the the the chapel there you know with

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all the yard and the ceiling and

446
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everything there are a variety of

447
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concession stands with people selling

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film and memorabilia I mean it's like

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the gift shop is everywhere you look and

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and so I wouldn't you know I mean hey

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Deb's he had something he was a good

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storyteller if nothing else I mean he

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just when you were about ready to to

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throw him out with you know it was the

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baby in the bath water or however that

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goes he'd come up with another singer

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that kept the people coming back for for

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more all right engine we need to go to

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our bottom of the be our break so we can

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have our our listeners come back for

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more afterwards and when we do come back

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we'll bring a great Bishop into the

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conversation on exploring the bizarre so

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

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Rebecca Lee and Taylor Swift's welcome

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back to explore in the bizarre

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I'm Tim Schwarz and tonight we're

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talking with Adam go rightly and now

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we're gonna bring Greg Bishop into the

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conversation Tim and so Greg great to

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have you with us tonight great to be

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back it's been a long time oh yeah hey

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you go on here and let's let's get back

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to the desert or maybe we should go on

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to to some of the other accounts when

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that's that period and you bring it up

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to bring it up to snuff or up to date or

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something yeah sure well Greg I want to

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know first about the the genesis of this

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of this book a is for a damn ski I was a

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when I was reading through it there's

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some absolutely fantastic of photographs

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I think a lot of photographs that

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probably haven't seen the light of day

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in a long time yeah actually that was

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the genesis for the book at least as far

489
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as I could tell from talking to Adam

490
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because he said look we've got this I

491
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found that we uh we could get access to

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the Joe effects archives and and I think

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a few other places and that you know we

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could build a book around around this

495
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contact each subject based on these

496
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pictures that have either never been

497
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seen or haven't been seen in a long time

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and that we could also do something that

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hadn't been done before which is dig up

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different I mean different in contactees

501
00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:53,149
there's so many in there that I hadn't

502
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heard of I mean just working on the book

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I discovered for myself three or four or

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five and I think Adam probably

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discovered ten or twelve and what dug

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deeper into people's stories that the

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main thing about doing this book that

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you know our philosophy I think that

509
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Adam will agree with me is that we

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weren't going to just do a book where we

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put pictures in and then just

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regurgitate it

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you see ever wills from for every single

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article we did as much as we could to

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try and go to all other sources

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alternate sources libraries magazines so

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it wasn't just you know doing a quick

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search on the internet we did actually

519
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find a bunch of new information about

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people such as Frank strangers I didn't

521
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:41,250
know he was arrested and put in jail for

522
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trying to smuggle marijuana one time

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they found out because I think they the

524
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plane was a way down with the the the

525
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weed coming in from Mexico yeah but you

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00:27:00,110 --> 00:26:57,780
know it's interesting that later on hit

527
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life he did become a an immigration

528
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judge I think probably be yes yes

529
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absolutely he said a lot of stuff about

530
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:15,720
himself I I've heard the immigration

531
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judge before but I think dubious because

532
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:21,180
he had all these fake titles that he

533
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:27,930
bestowed upon himself yeah I think he

534
00:27:33,980 --> 00:27:30,120
got a couple of them from a Georgia King

535
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of England maybe a lot of me got from

536
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:35,760
somebody who Adams done a lot of

537
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:38,370
research on a very strange character

538
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:41,610
named Ray Brashear as I think wasn't it

539
00:27:47,780 --> 00:27:45,690
Adam yeah they were trading that stuff

540
00:27:50,420 --> 00:27:47,790
back and forth and there there was a few

541
00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:50,430
characters involved fredchristman of all

542
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,180
people and Thomas Beckham who were kind

543
00:27:58,460 --> 00:27:56,100
of on the fringes of the JFK

544
00:28:01,100 --> 00:27:58,470
assassination or they've been connected

545
00:28:03,650 --> 00:28:01,110
to it all these guys the cutter the

546
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:03,660
common link there they became members of

547
00:28:08,390 --> 00:28:06,690
the Universal Life Church you know sure

548
00:28:12,500 --> 00:28:08,400
you guys have heard of that where you

549
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:12,510
can get your ministerial ordinations and

550
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:14,910
become a you know real ministry can

551
00:28:21,790 --> 00:28:18,960
perform ceremonies and yeah I I'm a bit

552
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:21,800
I'm a minister in that church

553
00:28:27,130 --> 00:28:24,470
you know actually it's it's quite easy

554
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:27,140
to perform marriage ceremonies because

555
00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:29,690
I've done it and I don't even go to a

556
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:33,040
church all you have to do is go to the

557
00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:35,930
like City Hall you know wherever the

558
00:28:40,300 --> 00:28:38,390
person is getting married and you know

559
00:28:42,670 --> 00:28:40,310
you sign a piece of paper to the effect

560
00:28:45,970 --> 00:28:42,680
that you're a minister and so forth and

561
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:45,980
you're legally able to to marry a people

562
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:49,850
so I mean that's on the on the level of

563
00:28:56,140 --> 00:28:53,540
fraud amore scammed them that's I think

564
00:28:58,750 --> 00:28:56,150
done almost every year every day I mean

565
00:29:02,890 --> 00:28:58,760
which is know marry a I'm fasting and

566
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:02,900
all that yeah to take to take it yeah go

567
00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:04,730
ahead yeah yeah well to taken another

568
00:29:09,610 --> 00:29:07,220
step these guys were getting involved

569
00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:09,620
for instance Chrisman who we know for

570
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:11,750
them from the Maury Island incident that

571
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:14,030
he was involved in a lot of scams with

572
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:16,820
this Thomas Beckham guy and they were on

573
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:19,010
the fringes of ufology too but they

574
00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:21,280
would start a bunch of phony

575
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:24,560
corporations one was called the National

576
00:29:30,790 --> 00:29:26,830
Institute of Criminology where they

577
00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:30,800
would sell a PhD for several hundred

578
00:29:37,270 --> 00:29:33,260
dollars and that's how Frank Strange's

579
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:37,280
he got his law enforcement credential

580
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,790
from Chrisman's outfit so they would

581
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:43,360
start all these kind of dummy

582
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:47,330
organizations and basically build up

583
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:51,890
their resumes start answering and so

584
00:29:59,050 --> 00:29:56,720
yeah if you look at certain additions of

585
00:30:01,420 --> 00:29:59,060
stranger and the Pentagon on the back

586
00:30:06,610 --> 00:30:01,430
that cover you'll see all the titles

587
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:06,620
that Frank Strange's had yeah George

588
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:08,090
King did that too but they're all

589
00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:10,220
religious titles that were bestowed on

590
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:12,860
him by the lactic Federation I saw them

591
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:14,810
all on the wall they were like 40 or 50

592
00:30:22,210 --> 00:30:18,890
of them at that tell you a little let me

593
00:30:24,700 --> 00:30:22,220
tell you a little story here back when I

594
00:30:27,910 --> 00:30:24,710
was with Harold we had a little public

595
00:30:31,690 --> 00:30:27,920
relations company we had Les Paul as a

596
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:31,700
client and Peter Max for a month we got

597
00:30:41,210 --> 00:30:34,840
hooked up with an organization

598
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:41,220
that was composed of ministers people

599
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:43,090
you know I don't know how to describe

600
00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:45,040
him but that one was the youngest

601
00:30:50,310 --> 00:30:46,870
Minister in the cut a little Lord

602
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:50,320
Michael he was seven years old and then

603
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:54,040
there was a sister Brenda who dripped

604
00:31:01,140 --> 00:30:56,850
you know special healing oil from her

605
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:01,150
fingertips the third the third minister

606
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:04,600
was Frank strangers were on their day

607
00:31:11,790 --> 00:31:07,720
David I think is also pass passed on

608
00:31:15,060 --> 00:31:11,800
well you know a ministerial it ran in

609
00:31:16,860 --> 00:31:15,070
the strangest family anyway I got to

610
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:16,870
know his brother I wouldn't say very

611
00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:19,570
well but you know we would attend their

612
00:31:23,670 --> 00:31:21,660
services which were usually held in

613
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:23,680
hotel

614
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:26,140
you know the halls that's a word they

615
00:31:29,850 --> 00:31:27,520
would rent for that purpose and they'd

616
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:29,860
have a 50 60 maybe a hundred people

617
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:31,870
would show up and then at the end of the

618
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:34,750
service they would line up and and give

619
00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:36,400
a donation usually in a sealed envelope

620
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:38,830
but I know I'd be backstage a couple of

621
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:40,270
times then get real pissed because

622
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:42,070
they'd open up the envelope instead of

623
00:31:48,210 --> 00:31:43,630
having cash in there people would stuff

624
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,220
envelopes and seal it see paper towels

625
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:50,080
or napkins or something like that and

626
00:31:54,210 --> 00:31:51,490
give it to him and they think it was a a

627
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:54,220
donation but you know III asked a

628
00:32:03,090 --> 00:31:57,250
brother of Dave strangers about that

629
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:03,100
Frank's UFO acclaims and about valiant

630
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:04,990
Thor and you know what his brother said

631
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:08,410
to me he said you know if Frank got away

632
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:10,540
from the UFOs and this guy from Venus

633
00:32:16,140 --> 00:32:13,390
he'd be very successful doing what he

634
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:16,150
does but he insists on and he was right

635
00:32:21,450 --> 00:32:18,010
you know he was right it was just

636
00:32:23,580 --> 00:32:21,460
totally unorthodox why would you why

637
00:32:26,010 --> 00:32:23,590
would you make up you know something

638
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:26,020
like that and go on the road and mix

639
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:29,110
that with Christianity it's like oil and

640
00:32:34,410 --> 00:32:32,500
water it doesn't a mix and and I even

641
00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:34,420
spoke at his church there that he hadn't

642
00:32:39,050 --> 00:32:36,550
in the apartment building and Van Nuys

643
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:39,060
he didn't have the world's largest

644
00:32:43,290 --> 00:32:41,740
congregation but people came to hear

645
00:32:48,030 --> 00:32:43,300
more about valiant Thor than they did

646
00:32:48,660 --> 00:32:48,040
about Jesus yeah well that would be more

647
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:48,670
of a

648
00:33:00,150 --> 00:32:56,610
valiant Thor is bigger than Jesus now a

649
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:00,160
valiant Thor is really nothing more than

650
00:33:06,420 --> 00:33:03,730
the modern-day version of the Messiah

651
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:06,430
and prophets and and all of that you

652
00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:09,400
know well these guys were I mean the

653
00:33:17,390 --> 00:33:11,710
faces are the faces are the same it's

654
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:20,100
tell us about some of the the other

655
00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:23,410
unusual of characters that you that you

656
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:26,560
found out about you know my favorite and

657
00:33:32,130 --> 00:33:28,890
Adams gonna know this is a woman she

658
00:33:33,630 --> 00:33:32,140
isn't you know known as a classic

659
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:33,640
contactee in fact there are some people

660
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:35,170
in the book that aren't known as classic

661
00:33:38,790 --> 00:33:37,060
contactees but they had the earmarks of

662
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,800
it like like Charles Hickson which we

663
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:40,960
can talk about but my favorite was this

664
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:43,090
woman named Paulina Peavy she was born

665
00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:48,370
in 1900 she died in 1999 and she when

666
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,900
she was growing up apparently her father

667
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:52,000
told her that education was wasted on

668
00:33:55,710 --> 00:33:53,200
women and he didn't want her to go to

669
00:33:57,630 --> 00:33:55,720
college or anything like that so she got

670
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,640
out of the house as quickly as possible

671
00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:00,000
went to school got an art degree and

672
00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:03,550
moved out to California and in her 20s

673
00:34:08,370 --> 00:34:04,870
she married some guy who I guess was

674
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:08,380
kind of abusive and then he left the

675
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:10,690
family and she was destitute she had to

676
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:14,020
get a job teaching art but this whole

677
00:34:23,790 --> 00:34:19,570
time she had she had been doing art

678
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:23,800
almost secretly and it's some certain

679
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:26,470
point she visited a medium i think in

680
00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:28,570
right up in Long Beach we keep going

681
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:30,160
back to Long Beach like a damn ski with

682
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:33,310
his order of Tibet and the medium told

683
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:35,890
her that there was that something

684
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:37,330
something was trying to get in contact

685
00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:39,310
with her like an extraterrestrial or a

686
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:42,100
god or something like that so she she

687
00:34:46,530 --> 00:34:44,380
either contacted her got into her head

688
00:34:49,170 --> 00:34:46,540
that she contacted a being called Lakai

689
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:49,180
mo that's what she called it and she

690
00:34:52,530 --> 00:34:50,560
said for the rest of her life she

691
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:52,540
channeled all of her artwork was

692
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:55,570
channeled through this person and if you

693
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,310
go on YouTube you can actually I think

694
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:00,400
on YouTube there is a recording of her

695
00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:02,220
what's linked from her site to this

696
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:03,630
she's I guess she's a fairly popular

697
00:35:07,540 --> 00:35:05,670
artist now you know it's one of those

698
00:35:09,980 --> 00:35:07,550
one of those outsider artists that gets

699
00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:09,990
gets discovered later and becomes a

700
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:12,750
sensation anyway there's a recording of

701
00:35:17,569 --> 00:35:15,540
her on Long John channeling Lakai MO and

702
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:17,579
it's amazing I mean right in the middle

703
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:20,130
she's they you know long and I think the

704
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,490
other guest is Andy Sinatra great great

705
00:35:30,589 --> 00:35:28,500
gentleman we used to he used to come to

706
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:30,599
all the the meetings to know and then

707
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:33,650
we'd go out and Andy that the the local

708
00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:38,010
all night cafeteria there Jim of course

709
00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:44,190
you would know Andy Anderson and then

710
00:35:52,609 --> 00:35:47,790
there was a Alex McNeil who was the

711
00:35:56,599 --> 00:35:52,619
world's tallest contact he missed we

712
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,609
didn't put him in the boot damn you know

713
00:36:03,050 --> 00:35:59,760
I talked to him a couple of years ago to

714
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:03,060
uh if he still if he's still alive he

715
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:06,180
was living down in North Carolina and

716
00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:08,250
and of course he had he told the story

717
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:12,390
in fact he got lawless contact he huh

718
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,300
yeah yes about seven foot tall pretty

719
00:36:19,339 --> 00:36:17,400
good pretty tall a guy there you know

720
00:36:21,230 --> 00:36:19,349
you you'd really have to pardon the

721
00:36:24,050 --> 00:36:21,240
expression to look up to him he was

722
00:36:26,210 --> 00:36:24,060
walking through I think the junkyard out

723
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,220
there in Queens looking for like some

724
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:28,380
tires for his car or something and the

725
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,230
spaceship came down and they asked him

726
00:36:35,809 --> 00:36:33,599
on the air what did he do for a living

727
00:36:37,730 --> 00:36:35,819
he said he works in a Button Factory and

728
00:36:42,890 --> 00:36:37,740
Alan first said well it sounds like you

729
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:42,900
lost all your buttons or no this stuff

730
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:51,359
what a trivial mind I have now the guy

731
00:36:59,059 --> 00:36:53,730
was the guy was so tall he could hunt

732
00:37:00,559 --> 00:36:59,069
UFOs with a rake he was he was you know

733
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:00,569
taller than everybody else

734
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:03,780
his head was about the clouds they came

735
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,420
to get some tires - yeah he'd go play

736
00:37:12,020 --> 00:37:08,220
basketball on Venus or something I've

737
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:12,030
enjoyed anyway Paulina Peavy she

738
00:37:15,890 --> 00:37:14,339
channels on this program and if you go

739
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,900
to the Paulina TV website

740
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:17,520
and look it up there's a there's a file

741
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:20,130
I think it might be YouTube anyway

742
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:21,930
and during the channeling for some

743
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:24,420
reason she wore a mask she made all

744
00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:26,910
these facial masks on who out of

745
00:37:32,059 --> 00:37:29,849
rhinestones and velvet and stuff and she

746
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:32,069
said she had to wear the mask to channel

747
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:34,410
Luke I'm oh so during the show I mean

748
00:37:38,029 --> 00:37:35,609
there's a picture of her on the show

749
00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:38,039
with the mask on and she long John

750
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:40,289
actually describes the mask while she's

751
00:37:43,579 --> 00:37:41,760
sitting there so you can see the picture

752
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:43,589
he goes oh it's kind of got a velvet and

753
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:45,450
it's kind of the chartreuse color and

754
00:37:49,940 --> 00:37:48,150
it's got some very elaborate jewels and

755
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,950
things hanging off of it and in the

756
00:37:53,269 --> 00:37:51,660
middle of the show she's they ask her

757
00:37:55,339 --> 00:37:53,279
what it's like to you know contact these

758
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:55,349
people and she she just starts talking

759
00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:56,700
in her regular voice and then suddenly

760
00:38:03,859 --> 00:38:01,079
she goes oh oh oh oh this is the voice

761
00:38:06,140 --> 00:38:03,869
now we are speaking through Paulina this

762
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:06,150
is not Paulina right now and she goes

763
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,200
off it's wonderful you know you know

764
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:12,480
people I don't know what it is with this

765
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,700
that you know I should be laughing but

766
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:16,859
I'm fascinated and happy I almost feel

767
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:18,839
like I should be you know while I'm

768
00:38:23,539 --> 00:38:20,609
listening to Paulina Channel I believe

769
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,549
she's channeling you know and it's I

770
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:25,920
just like the you know it it's funny

771
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:27,750
yeah you could say I like the honesty of

772
00:38:30,260 --> 00:38:28,980
it while people are saying well who's

773
00:38:32,539 --> 00:38:30,270
she was probably you know messing with

774
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:32,549
people I think she really thought yeah

775
00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:33,660
really boo

776
00:38:37,819 --> 00:38:35,430
it may have even been channeling

777
00:38:39,049 --> 00:38:37,829
something some things some person some

778
00:38:41,059 --> 00:38:39,059
part of her a baby Allah

779
00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:41,069
extraterrestrial being I have no idea

780
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:44,549
I'm like Adam I I kind of think I I do

781
00:38:49,279 --> 00:38:46,260
not pass judgment because if I don't

782
00:38:51,289 --> 00:38:49,289
pass judgment I can enjoy and and listen

783
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,299
and pick up a lot more than if I these

784
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:53,579
people are full of crap or you know or

785
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:55,650
if I think they're I completely 100%

786
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:58,020
believe Minh believe them those people

787
00:39:00,910 --> 00:38:59,640
annoy me almost more than the skeptics

788
00:39:04,819 --> 00:39:00,920
actually they do

789
00:39:06,980 --> 00:39:04,829
I probably pass judgment more than grade

790
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:06,990
but yeah I got the same vibe when I

791
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,529
heard that Paulina PV clip it was and I

792
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:12,180
wasn't laughing it was like wow this is

793
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:14,250
really interesting she sounds like

794
00:39:18,049 --> 00:39:16,230
something's going on here you know it

795
00:39:20,299 --> 00:39:18,059
was it was it was a performance it was a

796
00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:20,309
real performance I mean a channeled

797
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:21,849
performance

798
00:39:36,289 --> 00:39:26,140
my paintings which started coming

799
00:39:41,849 --> 00:39:36,299
twenty-five years ago and in order to

800
00:39:49,319 --> 00:39:41,859
receive it and maintain herself she has

801
00:39:52,469 --> 00:39:49,329
had to build up her electrode to meet

802
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:52,479
our high voltage and her artworks

803
00:39:55,859 --> 00:39:54,430
beautiful too I mean I'd say outside her

804
00:39:57,809 --> 00:39:55,869
she's not really outsider she was an

805
00:40:00,089 --> 00:39:57,819
accomplished oh yeah yeah she knew what

806
00:40:01,739 --> 00:40:00,099
she was doing she had she had she got

807
00:40:03,870 --> 00:40:01,749
assigned I think in the Pan Pacific

808
00:40:06,689 --> 00:40:03,880
Exposition in San Francisco I believe it

809
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:06,699
was to create these huge murals which

810
00:40:11,609 --> 00:40:09,910
she did you can find those online I also

811
00:40:13,349 --> 00:40:11,619
found that that she said she exhibited

812
00:40:14,549 --> 00:40:13,359
at some gallery and people like well you

813
00:40:17,189 --> 00:40:14,559
know I don't think she actually did that

814
00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:17,199
I found an ad in the LA Herald examiner

815
00:40:19,859 --> 00:40:19,420
or The Times mirror or something like

816
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:19,869
that

817
00:40:26,549 --> 00:40:24,880
being at you know having a show at a

818
00:40:27,959 --> 00:40:26,559
gallery at the time she said she was

819
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:27,969
having shows at that gallery so she

820
00:40:35,609 --> 00:40:32,079
didn't lie about well there were there

821
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,619
were a couple of well at California that

822
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:37,359
now that was the hotbed of all of this

823
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,660
stuff and never really was that much

824
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:43,119
activity back east here I mean a lot of

825
00:40:46,049 --> 00:40:45,400
the contactees did you know coming to

826
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,059
town

827
00:40:49,499 --> 00:40:47,920
I guess they they did the Greyhound when

828
00:40:51,329 --> 00:40:49,509
I call the Greyhound circuit you know I

829
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:51,339
mean they would go to Cleveland and in

830
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:55,690
Chicago and Milwaukee there was always a

831
00:41:00,420 --> 00:40:58,690
somebody you know a local promoter just

832
00:41:02,759 --> 00:41:00,430
like you had rock band promoters you

833
00:41:04,859 --> 00:41:02,769
know back in the the 70s and all you

834
00:41:07,289 --> 00:41:04,869
would have UFO promoters and they would

835
00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:07,299
bring these people into town and and and

836
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:09,670
put them up and you know feed them for a

837
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:11,890
couple of days and they they would rent

838
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:15,369
a hall in some of the early day a crowds

839
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:17,529
I mean I know in the Detroit that's a

840
00:41:23,549 --> 00:41:20,529
flying saucer group they got maybe 800

841
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,559
people for you know Adamski but when

842
00:41:28,349 --> 00:41:25,839
they got here to New York unless they

843
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,359
were on the Long John Neville show it

844
00:41:33,329 --> 00:41:30,400
was hard to get an audience you go I

845
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:33,339
know I helped it Jimmy oh he had his UFO

846
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,470
a group and

847
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:37,680
you know usually we'd have anywhere from

848
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:42,160
60 70 people but if they were on Long

849
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,589
John the night before he'd have to you

850
00:41:49,579 --> 00:41:46,240
know make arrangements with the hotel a

851
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:49,589
diplomat or the Woodstock had to get a

852
00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:52,420
slightly larger room and every once in a

853
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,540
while he did a crowd of 300 people I

854
00:42:01,800 --> 00:41:58,260
remember one night that gray Barker and

855
00:42:04,530 --> 00:42:01,810
I'm auntie Sanderson when I was I was

856
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,540
the do to give a lecture and Jim figured

857
00:42:07,950 --> 00:42:05,680
maybe we need to get a hundred people

858
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:07,960
now in those days admission when I think

859
00:42:13,170 --> 00:42:10,060
was fifty cents and then he raised it to

860
00:42:15,150 --> 00:42:13,180
$1.00 so he could make some money and

861
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,160
there were so many people that showed up

862
00:42:19,470 --> 00:42:16,960
because I think Barker had been on the

863
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:19,480
long John show the night before that

864
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:21,550
they had to take two rooms and they were

865
00:42:26,250 --> 00:42:23,890
going simultaneously and switching back

866
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:26,260
and forth where today boy you'd be lucky

867
00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:28,540
to get you know 15 people to show up at

868
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,660
the public library for a UFO meeting

869
00:42:36,660 --> 00:42:33,520
because they're all watching this stuff

870
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:36,670
you know on YouTube and and thousands

871
00:42:46,829 --> 00:42:41,130
are listen of listening to us right now

872
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:46,839
did you want a convention still hundreds

873
00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:49,089
of people there might you might get up

874
00:42:53,970 --> 00:42:51,700
at a big movement like local meeting

875
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:53,980
yeah yeah I don't think there's too much

876
00:43:00,930 --> 00:42:57,660
a pet market ilio keeps the his a

877
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:00,940
library group going down there in a

878
00:43:05,819 --> 00:43:03,970
Bourdon town and then there's an active

879
00:43:09,089 --> 00:43:05,829
I think MUFON group maybe in in

880
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,099
Pittsburgh or around there you know but

881
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:11,200
a channeling started out there for the

882
00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:14,050
most part in in California they used to

883
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:17,380
go out to a giant rock and go under the

884
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:20,319
rock itself and Ashtar would come

885
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:23,410
through yeah to George King I've been

886
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:25,390
out there recently somebody is dug out

887
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:27,369
under the rock Eakins kind of see where

888
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:29,020
the rooms were they've almost dug into

889
00:43:32,490 --> 00:43:30,310
the rooms

890
00:43:33,839 --> 00:43:32,500
so I actually o'clock crawled underneath

891
00:43:35,790 --> 00:43:33,849
the rock after throwing a bunch of

892
00:43:40,109 --> 00:43:35,800
stones in there to make sure there was

893
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:40,119
snakes but I climbed in there and tore

894
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,650
my shirt on something and there's

895
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,359
there's rebar sticking up but you can

896
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:45,280
see that you can see that where the

897
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:46,900
stairway goes down underneath the rock

898
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:48,970
so at some point they might

899
00:43:52,020 --> 00:43:50,770
somebody might dig it out I don't know

900
00:43:54,809 --> 00:43:52,030
who dug it out or who thought it was a

901
00:43:56,099 --> 00:43:54,819
good idea but a couple of people got mad

902
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:56,109
and they said why are people doing

903
00:44:00,809 --> 00:43:58,210
that's not right say screw that I want

904
00:44:03,420 --> 00:44:00,819
to go down and see yeah yeah what

905
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:03,430
somebody got to tell the story about how

906
00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:05,200
the guy got blown to bits down there

907
00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:08,589
Frank right sir yeah he was a prospector

908
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:09,579
lived out in the desert

909
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:16,450
he actually befriended George Van Tassel

910
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:18,609
yeah yeah but he lived out there in the

911
00:44:26,579 --> 00:44:22,450
30s 40s until he was not cooperating

912
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:26,589
with the authorities and they came out

913
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:29,650
and tried to serve him a rest lord or at

914
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:30,910
least they wanted to question him he

915
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:34,390
freaked out and holed up in his room

916
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,060
under the rock and somehow either while

917
00:44:42,569 --> 00:44:39,040
he was fighting them or maybe suicide

918
00:44:45,059 --> 00:44:42,579
who knows he the dynamite that was down

919
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:45,069
there got got ignited and blew up and

920
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:47,710
killed him actually our friend Barbara

921
00:44:54,510 --> 00:44:50,650
Harris told me a while back that there's

922
00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:54,520
evidence that he was hiding he was

923
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:57,190
German extraction yes yeah that's part

924
00:45:01,859 --> 00:44:58,150
of the reason I guess they were

925
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:01,869
suspicious of him but why Eddie he had

926
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,750
an antenna on top of the the rock I

927
00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:06,880
understand because he was a ham radio

928
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:10,900
operator was he cook yeah yeah quite

929
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:13,030
common out there so they thought he was

930
00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:22,670
yeah told us he might have been hiding

931
00:45:26,579 --> 00:45:25,030
Japanese families during the war during

932
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:26,589
World War two because he wanted it they

933
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:27,670
didn't want to have to go to the

934
00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:30,550
internment camps I'm still waiting for

935
00:45:34,109 --> 00:45:32,380
more evidence of that but that's a

936
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:34,119
fascinating piece of history to me an

937
00:45:39,510 --> 00:45:37,630
extra but yeah he he met Van Tassel at a

938
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:39,520
gas station when it's car broke down in

939
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:41,260
Santa Monica because Van Tassel at the

940
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:46,210
time was working for who was a

941
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:49,290
millionaire yeah who's there who's

942
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:51,550
working for Hughes Aircraft and he was a

943
00:45:55,319 --> 00:45:53,170
pilot which makes him near and dear to

944
00:45:59,900 --> 00:45:55,329
my heart because I also have a pilot's

945
00:46:02,089 --> 00:45:59,910
license but he he told

946
00:46:03,620 --> 00:46:02,099
of Van Tassel about this place he had

947
00:46:05,509 --> 00:46:03,630
the desert Van Tassel went out there

948
00:46:09,019 --> 00:46:05,519
started busy visiting him and when he

949
00:46:10,549 --> 00:46:09,029
got offed by the sheriff's Van Tassel

950
00:46:11,930 --> 00:46:10,559
moved out there with his family probably

951
00:46:15,499 --> 00:46:11,940
much to the chagrin of his mother his

952
00:46:17,779 --> 00:46:15,509
wife and kids and our daughters and it

953
00:46:19,249 --> 00:46:17,789
started started basically a flying dude

954
00:46:21,319 --> 00:46:19,259
ranch there and that's how that's how

955
00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:21,329
the that was even before he started

956
00:46:25,549 --> 00:46:24,180
doing channeling of Ashtar and all the

957
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:25,559
other people that he was channeling out

958
00:46:31,009 --> 00:46:28,049
there underneath the rock did you did

959
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,019
you meet Daniel Boone yes I have met

960
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:33,630
Daniel Boone Van Tassel yes he married

961
00:46:37,759 --> 00:46:35,490
one of Van Tassel's daughters and then

962
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,769
took his part you know hyphenated his

963
00:46:42,289 --> 00:46:39,599
name because he was a he was a follower

964
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:42,299
and admirer of well he's the only person

965
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:45,690
that I know of that went nude aboard a

966
00:47:00,410 --> 00:46:58,859
flying saucer he he should have he he

967
00:47:03,049 --> 00:47:00,420
needed to gut you there was no indoor

968
00:47:05,660 --> 00:47:03,059
plumbing so I guess the outhouse was out

969
00:47:07,339 --> 00:47:05,670
back somewhere and so there was no

970
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:07,349
reason I mean them in the middle of the

971
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:08,970
desert no reason to get dressed or put

972
00:47:13,579 --> 00:47:10,529
on your coveralls or anything Zoey

973
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:13,589
headed to the you know the the outhouse

974
00:47:19,579 --> 00:47:16,440
buck-ass naked and there there's a cell

975
00:47:21,620 --> 00:47:19,589
ganda and they invited him on board the

976
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:21,630
ship and he said well you know I don't

977
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:23,849
think I can go this way they said dad

978
00:47:27,499 --> 00:47:25,529
don't mind if we walk around naked on

979
00:47:30,289 --> 00:47:27,509
Venus all the time earth or whatever

980
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,299
they said to him and he told the story

981
00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:32,579
with him very straight to face and I I

982
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:35,700
figured yeah you know man yeah yeah he's

983
00:47:40,009 --> 00:47:38,670
got you know you got a great this story

984
00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:40,019
there I don't think he told that to many

985
00:47:47,269 --> 00:47:42,710
people but he's set around behind the

986
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:47,279
the camper there drinking a can of beer

987
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:51,119
and tally even he looked like I mean if

988
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:53,369
any you want to visualize him like he

989
00:48:09,769 --> 00:47:56,490
was a stand-in for there's somebody from

990
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:09,779
ZZ Top all right well with with that I

991
00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:12,450
think Tim let's we're gonna have to

992
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:16,680
- our top of the hour break so when we

993
00:48:21,530 --> 00:48:18,540
come back we will continue this

994
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:21,540
conversation about Gabby Hayes from

995
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:25,650
outer space and other other interesting

996
00:48:39,730 --> 00:48:28,260
characters in the early contactee

997
00:48:46,690 --> 00:48:44,240
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

998
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:46,700
into the world of the paranoid

999
00:48:54,279 --> 00:48:49,980
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1000
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:54,289
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1001
00:48:59,779 --> 00:48:57,410
ghosts Lost Worlds

1002
00:49:03,650 --> 00:48:59,789
cryptozoology as well as other

1003
00:49:08,779 --> 00:49:03,660
dimensions it's time to take back the

1004
00:49:11,930 --> 00:49:08,789
night now your electrifying hosts of

1005
00:49:17,210 --> 00:49:11,940
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1006
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:17,220
team sports all right for the second

1007
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,500
hour of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

1008
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:22,559
Schwartz with Tim Beckley and our guest

1009
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:25,410
at him go rightly and great bishop and

1010
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:27,510
we're talking about the though of the

1011
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:30,359
wild and wooly world of the contactees

1012
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:32,609
that reigned

1013
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:35,369
what would you say Tim from the 1950s to

1014
00:49:42,589 --> 00:49:40,079
the great little gray guys kind of

1015
00:49:44,900 --> 00:49:42,599
shoved them aside it kind of got us

1016
00:49:48,019 --> 00:49:44,910
started it was the offshoot to some

1017
00:49:50,210 --> 00:49:48,029
extent of the spiritualist movement a

1018
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:50,220
lot of people I think from the early

1019
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:53,190
contact days contact fides and in

1020
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:57,359
California had experiences were a space

1021
00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:00,079
people started materializing its seances

1022
00:50:05,180 --> 00:50:02,819
Nina Howard we published a couple of her

1023
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:05,190
Rainbow Hill and she was out in the

1024
00:50:10,819 --> 00:50:07,170
desert it is that story in your book

1025
00:50:15,140 --> 00:50:10,829
guys about how the Venusian woman

1026
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,150
appeared Dana Howard's in there I found

1027
00:50:19,269 --> 00:50:16,559
the church that she first did her

1028
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:19,279
channeling at in right near downtown LA

1029
00:50:26,829 --> 00:50:23,880
yeah that was apparently that vision was

1030
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:26,839
like in the late 30s

1031
00:50:38,779 --> 00:50:35,640
yeah of Diana yes from Venus hmm okay

1032
00:50:40,809 --> 00:50:38,789
well now speaking of women I mean the

1033
00:50:44,329 --> 00:50:40,819
the contactee movement wasn't

1034
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:44,339
exclusively a boys club there were there

1035
00:50:50,060 --> 00:50:47,250
were a lot of women involved and one of

1036
00:50:51,740 --> 00:50:50,070
them was Barbara Hudson I don't think a

1037
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:51,750
lot of people are are familiar with that

1038
00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:56,490
name yeah let me I'll be lazy here and

1039
00:51:03,440 --> 00:50:59,250
let me read the first paragraph of

1040
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:03,450
Barbara Hudson's entry then all that Tim

1041
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:05,490
taken a little bit and I can add into

1042
00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:08,400
what he has but this is where it all

1043
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,120
started in 1955 15 year-old Barbara

1044
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,640
Hudson witnessed the tall man enter her

1045
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:16,800
bedroom in the early morning hours

1046
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:19,980
he sent light beams from his eyes into

1047
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:23,250
hers inducing a trance state this

1048
00:51:28,940 --> 00:51:25,470
mystery man extended his hand and asked

1049
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:28,950
Barbara to follow trusting soul that she

1050
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:31,890
was Hudson accepted the tall man's hand

1051
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:34,260
who led her into the living room or a

1052
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:36,840
gray misted form Hudson soon found

1053
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:38,520
herself in what appeared to be an

1054
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:41,490
elevator that transported her up into a

1055
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:43,890
room with many instruments and

1056
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:46,530
multicolored lights one wall of the room

1057
00:51:51,700 --> 00:51:49,260
featured an image of earth on a screen

1058
00:51:54,980 --> 00:51:51,710
surrounded by tall peoples seated around

1059
00:51:57,410 --> 00:51:54,990
control panels afterwards Barbara was

1060
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,420
treated to a mill comprised only of

1061
00:52:02,330 --> 00:51:59,700
fruits and then back down the elevator

1062
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:02,340
through the living rooms gray mist

1063
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:04,740
she returned to bed that was her first

1064
00:52:15,610 --> 00:52:11,490
experience in 1955 Tim well she yeah

1065
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:15,620
yeah well you know we met Barbara Hudson

1066
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:19,490
she lived in in Harlem she was a africa

1067
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:23,700
african-american and i say when we met

1068
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:28,110
her maybe she was in her and hard to say

1069
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:30,570
maybe mid-twenties but she attached

1070
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:34,920
herself to a Jim Mosely see a UFO group

1071
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,330
and would come to the meet and the

1072
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:39,920
meanings and she claimed that she was

1073
00:52:45,350 --> 00:52:42,750
involved with an organization that she

1074
00:52:47,930 --> 00:52:45,360
simply called the group right

1075
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:47,940
yeah and they they had their

1076
00:52:53,660 --> 00:52:50,340
headquarters I think somewhere maybe in

1077
00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:53,670
New England and every once in a while

1078
00:52:57,980 --> 00:52:55,320
they would come and they would pick her

1079
00:53:01,080 --> 00:52:57,990
up pick her up in her house and in

1080
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:01,090
Harlem and drive her out to this local

1081
00:53:10,740 --> 00:53:05,380
Asian and tell her I guess about the the

1082
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:10,750
the space of brothers kind of like an

1083
00:53:17,220 --> 00:53:14,890
American version of was the Italian and

1084
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:17,230
the friendship group yeah you know where

1085
00:53:23,610 --> 00:53:20,530
they're supposedly living here now

1086
00:53:26,090 --> 00:53:23,620
barber always had stories to tell and

1087
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:26,100
some of them were some pretty damn good

1088
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:30,010
stories she said that when she was a

1089
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:31,090
young girl

1090
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:34,530
they were driving home going past

1091
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:38,880
Central Park and there were all these

1092
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:42,370
military trucks and all and some

1093
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:45,340
spotlights and they were pointing at

1094
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:47,170
they're both an object in the sky in

1095
00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:50,170
something that had that landed in the

1096
00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:53,800
park and she claims that it was a UFO

1097
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:56,580
that had the crashed in in Central Park

1098
00:54:03,680 --> 00:53:59,650
you know I I mean some of the stories

1099
00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:03,690
they were they they just seemed a very

1100
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:07,000
outrageous but I spent quite a bit of

1101
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:11,290
time with her both on a professional and

1102
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:15,610
on a social level and you know she she

1103
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:19,000
never wavered from telling this the

1104
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:22,870
story and she was very personable and

1105
00:54:30,210 --> 00:54:27,700
very well-spoken and she seemed to know

1106
00:54:32,250 --> 00:54:30,220
what was a you know going on I don't

1107
00:54:34,290 --> 00:54:32,260
think she had her she claims she didn't

1108
00:54:37,050 --> 00:54:34,300
have much of a background in this

1109
00:54:39,090 --> 00:54:37,060
she had the read later on I guess some

1110
00:54:43,530 --> 00:54:39,100
of the damn skis books but then again

1111
00:54:47,820 --> 00:54:43,540
who who had you know yeah it was it was

1112
00:54:50,610 --> 00:54:47,830
kinda strange because culturally you did

1113
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:50,620
she kind of didn't fit in you know I

1114
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:52,810
mean Jim would always say something

1115
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,210
about oh there are no there are no black

1116
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,280
people involved in the UFO field well

1117
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:59,680
that's not true either Jim never really

1118
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:01,660
did too much and like I say in the way

1119
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:03,730
of investigation you know you talk about

1120
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:06,220
a damn ski well yeah the first couple of

1121
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,170
years when Jim started out after he

1122
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:10,720
graduated from Princeton he packed his

1123
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:13,330
car and he headed west and he did do

1124
00:55:18,279 --> 00:55:15,170
some you know like

1125
00:55:20,829 --> 00:55:18,289
foot footwork you know field the

1126
00:55:22,779 --> 00:55:20,839
research but later on in life he didn't

1127
00:55:25,269 --> 00:55:22,789
really he didn't really seem to care to

1128
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:25,279
be honest with you he he just you know

1129
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:27,170
believed what if you told him something

1130
00:55:31,870 --> 00:55:29,569
Greg he'd take it for gospel you know I

1131
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:31,880
mean I don't know it's just the way he

1132
00:55:39,009 --> 00:55:32,089
is

1133
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:39,019
the subject he he was did he believe in

1134
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:44,089
UFOs yes to some degree did it matter to

1135
00:55:48,849 --> 00:55:47,209
him yeah to some degree was he doing it

1136
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:48,859
to make money he didn't need money at

1137
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:50,690
the time there's nothin ever really any

1138
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:53,569
money to be a made although I guess it's

1139
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:55,400
a peak of sorcery news when he was

1140
00:56:02,680 --> 00:55:59,140
getting on the sandy Becker show and on

1141
00:56:04,589 --> 00:56:02,690
London chuckling yeah yeah Long John and

1142
00:56:09,009 --> 00:56:04,599
Chuck McCann and at the height of the

1143
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:09,019
Michigan the flap he had 10,000

1144
00:56:14,049 --> 00:56:11,390
subscribers because I worked in the

1145
00:56:16,269 --> 00:56:14,059
office you know and he had an office

1146
00:56:19,059 --> 00:56:16,279
here on Fifth Avenue which I took over

1147
00:56:21,339 --> 00:56:19,069
after he he split for a you know a

1148
00:56:23,979 --> 00:56:21,349
Florida in those days you could rent an

1149
00:56:27,939 --> 00:56:23,989
office the office rent was $60 a month

1150
00:56:30,999 --> 00:56:27,949
can you believe that what I find

1151
00:56:34,299 --> 00:56:31,009
interesting about her that she turns up

1152
00:56:37,930 --> 00:56:34,309
in different books like gray Barker at

1153
00:56:42,339 --> 00:56:37,940
giant rock and it's her gray Barker and

1154
00:56:44,410 --> 00:56:42,349
Jim Mosely going out to you and Barker

1155
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:44,420
and Mosely are kind of on a bender and

1156
00:56:54,449 --> 00:56:47,390
here's you know Barbara Kate gay guy and

1157
00:56:57,729 --> 00:56:54,459
there's a black young we went down to

1158
00:57:01,319 --> 00:56:57,739
Point Pleasant West Virginia which turns

1159
00:57:05,859 --> 00:57:01,329
up in that story as well she's yeah yeah

1160
00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:05,869
we drop we drove down there and you know

1161
00:57:15,309 --> 00:57:10,190
I mean the South was still you know you

1162
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:15,319
couldn't dress the south yeah and you

1163
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:16,910
know you couldn't even drink in the

1164
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:19,369
hotel you had to join if you stay in the

1165
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:21,650
hotel you could join their membership

1166
00:57:28,449 --> 00:57:25,249
club yeah they would have a bar and a

1167
00:57:29,019 --> 00:57:28,459
little dance floor there and and Barbara

1168
00:57:31,899 --> 00:57:29,029
like the poor

1169
00:57:34,839 --> 00:57:31,909
and dance and all and you would get kind

1170
00:57:37,659 --> 00:57:34,849
of like quizzical looks in the in those

1171
00:57:41,709 --> 00:57:37,669
days you might still know actually I

1172
00:57:44,949 --> 00:57:41,719
don't know but it was it was an

1173
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:44,959
experience and we all had our flatwoods

1174
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:50,209
monsters oh they have that you bring

1175
00:57:55,659 --> 00:57:52,130
that up because we have a photo in the

1176
00:57:59,140 --> 00:57:55,669
book of Barbara posing with some little

1177
00:58:03,489 --> 00:57:59,150
flatwood monsters little replicas yeah

1178
00:58:09,579 --> 00:58:03,499
incense burning yep candle holders is

1179
00:58:11,409 --> 00:58:09,589
what they were I had one of them you can

1180
00:58:13,509 --> 00:58:11,419
still get you can still get it they have

1181
00:58:17,799 --> 00:58:13,519
a store down there in flatwoods that

1182
00:58:21,909 --> 00:58:17,809
sells all this stuff if you see the I'm

1183
00:58:24,329 --> 00:58:21,919
going with you know how many how many

1184
00:58:27,699 --> 00:58:24,339
how many festivals are there now guys

1185
00:58:30,699 --> 00:58:27,709
around the country we went to one a

1186
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:30,709
grind bush yeah you know we went to one

1187
00:58:36,699 --> 00:58:33,049
in Pine Bush that lasted about three

1188
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:36,709
minutes actually the police car had the

1189
00:58:39,969 --> 00:58:38,329
police car had two men in black sitting

1190
00:58:42,130 --> 00:58:39,979
in the back you know but they they have

1191
00:58:46,209 --> 00:58:42,140
lectures there was a there was a linda

1192
00:58:49,149 --> 00:58:46,219
zimmerman and peter robbins and mark

1193
00:58:52,509 --> 00:58:49,159
Brinkerhoff showed up and yeah you know

1194
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:52,519
i was there for about 25 years ago when

1195
00:58:57,069 --> 00:58:54,140
people were having a sightings on a

1196
00:59:02,319 --> 00:58:57,079
regular you know level so if they're

1197
00:59:03,759 --> 00:59:02,329
still contacting movement I don't think

1198
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:03,769
it's called the contactee move anymore

1199
00:59:08,459 --> 00:59:05,089
there's still people that say that

1200
00:59:10,329 --> 00:59:08,469
they're in contact with with

1201
00:59:13,469 --> 00:59:10,339
extraterrestrials or aliens or whatever

1202
00:59:15,579 --> 00:59:13,479
but you know probably the most famous

1203
00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:15,589
exponent of that obviously is Whitley

1204
00:59:21,099 --> 00:59:18,380
Strieber but I wouldn't call my contact

1205
00:59:23,529 --> 00:59:21,109
II in the in the normal classic sense

1206
00:59:26,919 --> 00:59:23,539
there are many others that you know that

1207
00:59:28,509 --> 00:59:26,929
are that claimed contact as well but

1208
00:59:31,509 --> 00:59:28,519
they're you know they're not as well no

1209
00:59:33,459 --> 00:59:31,519
and it's it's a lot more what's the word

1210
00:59:35,890 --> 00:59:33,469
just dispersed than it used to be it's

1211
00:59:40,029 --> 00:59:35,900
it's more niche it's more niche now

1212
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:40,039
they're still yeah yeah that claim a lot

1213
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:41,689
of them seem to be in other countries

1214
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:42,750
but

1215
00:59:50,359 --> 00:59:45,650
you know it's all light and love and

1216
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:50,369
there orthe on looking type of entities

1217
01:00:01,400 --> 00:59:54,660
you know and it's more of a new-age type

1218
01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:01,410
thing you know and anybody outside of

1219
01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:04,950
Bob short who's still alive from that

1220
01:00:11,690 --> 01:00:09,780
era oh jeez I don't know yeah yeah there

1221
01:00:15,380 --> 01:00:11,700
is but I'd have to go through the book

1222
01:00:18,530 --> 01:00:15,390
and short still around I haven't heard

1223
01:00:21,740 --> 01:00:18,540
much Bob and Barbara Hudson still alive

1224
01:00:25,820 --> 01:00:21,750
apparently well I don't know where is he

1225
01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:25,830
I don't know I just said born 1940 but I

1226
01:00:36,260 --> 01:00:28,260
don't know I don't know the track kind

1227
01:00:42,730 --> 01:00:36,270
of went cold yes yes uh-huh yeah yep she

1228
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:45,920
yeah she she you know I introduced her

1229
01:00:52,220 --> 01:00:49,619
at the gym Mosley's a UFO conference and

1230
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:52,230
most of the people had come or again I

1231
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:53,970
guess quite a few people out of the

1232
01:01:00,079 --> 01:00:56,130
thousands had come to hear her story

1233
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,089
because long John had built her up you

1234
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:01,920
know I don't know for how many a days on

1235
01:01:10,700 --> 01:01:05,910
his you know Joe and I guess she was the

1236
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:10,710
first visitor from Venus who had

1237
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:15,810
appeared in physical bomb Bonnie now the

1238
01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:20,180
story goes that uh she in her former

1239
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:24,510
life had been a prostitute and she was

1240
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:27,810
walking through Central Park I guess she

1241
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:30,960
was having a bad you know a bad day or a

1242
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,290
bad this situation and all and all of a

1243
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:37,520
sudden you know a ship appeared and she

1244
01:01:42,980 --> 01:01:40,680
swapped places with the woman from Venus

1245
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:42,990
I don't think physically but you know

1246
01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:47,250
like a walk in time via fish the

1247
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:49,830
official story and I actually got a lot

1248
01:02:00,940 --> 01:01:57,859
now there wasn't anything about

1249
01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:00,950
prostitute in the book but that her

1250
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:03,960
human counterpart had committed suicide

1251
01:02:13,099 --> 01:02:08,099
was one of was the story and that the

1252
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:13,109
Venus took over her body whoever her

1253
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:18,240
earthly counterpart was oh yeah that was

1254
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:20,609
the iconic story yeah it's it's similar

1255
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:24,599
to um the conic yeah and and she did go

1256
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:30,510
on the road for a while she sang folk

1257
01:02:35,810 --> 01:02:33,089
songs she wrote in and she would she

1258
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:35,820
would she was like a piece pilgrim she

1259
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:39,200
would travel from place to place and I

1260
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:43,190
remember she liked her cats she had a

1261
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:46,050
it's and you know like I think she moved

1262
01:02:50,329 --> 01:02:47,760
down there eventually down to Florida

1263
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:50,339
but then she got a we had published the

1264
01:02:54,349 --> 01:02:52,290
book which was not a great seller I mean

1265
01:02:57,050 --> 01:02:54,359
it was a stapled thing in the beginning

1266
01:03:00,349 --> 01:02:57,060
and then she seemed to have to kind of

1267
01:03:02,210 --> 01:03:00,359
maybe own a little bitter or kind of

1268
01:03:04,849 --> 01:03:02,220
wanted to put maybe the lady went back

1269
01:03:06,050 --> 01:03:04,859
to Venus and they swapped spirits again

1270
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:06,060
or something I don't know she just

1271
01:03:11,660 --> 01:03:08,250
seemed to have at some point maybe

1272
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:11,670
realized the the message wasn't the

1273
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:15,570
message wasn't getting across you know

1274
01:03:20,420 --> 01:03:17,339
as as well as it should be

1275
01:03:22,460 --> 01:03:20,430
Oh who would you say that you you would

1276
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:22,470
believe I mean is there anybody out

1277
01:03:27,260 --> 01:03:24,089
there that we haven't mentioned that you

1278
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:27,270
would say you know had some experiences

1279
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:29,730
that might have actually had been of a

1280
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:32,550
physical nature and transpired

1281
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:35,570
pretty much according to their stories

1282
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:39,720
well when you say belief it's more of a

1283
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:42,200
matter like you know we talked about

1284
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,650
potential baby yeah well yeah that's a

1285
01:03:50,300 --> 01:03:48,599
tough one there he knows you can't say

1286
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:50,310
for sure but you know the stories that

1287
01:03:58,690 --> 01:03:53,970
impress me are Paulina Peavy who we

1288
01:04:03,250 --> 01:03:58,700
talked about yes Jo Symington I found

1289
01:04:06,589 --> 01:04:03,260
you know that's that's a story we did

1290
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:06,599
yeah and that's one that

1291
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:08,910
Hynek and others they couldn't find any

1292
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:09,930
holes in the store

1293
01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:14,970
Orion there was never in the pan yeah

1294
01:04:22,819 --> 01:04:17,460
but there was there was nothing to

1295
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:22,829
suggest that you know he was a fibber

1296
01:04:27,099 --> 01:04:24,960
than he was trying to bring attention to

1297
01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:27,109
himself there wasn't any subsequent

1298
01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:30,390
stories you know any other contacts

1299
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:32,790
after that so there's a number of those

1300
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:37,680
you know or or foot or figlio Anjali oh

1301
01:04:44,359 --> 01:04:42,270
and yeah some reason I it's trouble

1302
01:04:55,819 --> 01:04:44,369
saying his first name or is it or feel

1303
01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:55,829
or raffia or feel yeah yeah I think is

1304
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:59,010
his son or daughter sure what a pet

1305
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:01,740
market tilling Hills convention and I

1306
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,170
mean maybe 10 or 15 years ago or

1307
01:05:08,740 --> 01:05:06,000
something because uh Orfeo was

1308
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:08,750
originally from Trenton before he moved

1309
01:05:13,849 --> 01:05:12,119
out to a California was in very bad

1310
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:13,859
health I think wasn't that a part of the

1311
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:18,000
story I don't know about that part of it

1312
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:24,150
yeah yeah like a lot of people he moved

1313
01:05:26,990 --> 01:05:25,530
out because he because he had the

1314
01:05:29,059 --> 01:05:27,000
consumption or something so you had to

1315
01:05:35,770 --> 01:05:29,069
come out to the dry the dry a drier

1316
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:35,780
climate can't get any drier than a

1317
01:05:42,410 --> 01:05:39,359
Joshua Tree in those days I I remember

1318
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:42,420
going out there for the first time and I

1319
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:44,609
think I got that in the town like in

1320
01:05:51,319 --> 01:05:47,970
noon and and people are walking around

1321
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:51,329
carrying umbrellas on a sunny day to

1322
01:05:56,049 --> 01:05:53,369
keep the Sun you know the Sun so awful

1323
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,059
for them and wearing long sleeve shirts

1324
01:06:02,809 --> 01:05:59,520
they they were they were hardened crew

1325
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,819
in those days it was a lot more print it

1326
01:06:05,809 --> 01:06:04,680
would be you know and some people a

1327
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:05,819
little bit

1328
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:07,200
they didn't even they didn't even have

1329
01:06:11,930 --> 01:06:09,540
you know running up running the water I

1330
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:11,940
mean they would go and buy what a

1331
01:06:16,370 --> 01:06:13,890
hundreds of a gallon their jugs of water

1332
01:06:18,530 --> 01:06:16,380
and I had a little of what you know

1333
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:18,540
water at the Tower or whatever behind

1334
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:26,220
and I even remember when Diane Tessman

1335
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:29,770
lived out there the UPS you know they

1336
01:06:34,590 --> 01:06:31,510
got to the end of the road where she was

1337
01:06:37,980 --> 01:06:34,600
and the wheel started to grind because

1338
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:37,990
they hit the they hit the same and and

1339
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:40,390
one time coming back from giant rock I

1340
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:42,850
was in a with Bill Cox and a few other

1341
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:46,450
people in his little Volkswagen bug and

1342
01:06:51,780 --> 01:06:49,810
we got stuck in the sand you have to

1343
01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:51,790
know how to drive in sand

1344
01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:55,750
ah man I tell you now that that's too

1345
01:07:01,710 --> 01:06:58,810
hot out there I I you know I I like to I

1346
01:07:03,210 --> 01:07:01,720
like I like to you know the the heat I

1347
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:03,220
don't like the winter but that's a

1348
01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:07,600
little that's a little much so uh Oh

1349
01:07:15,930 --> 01:07:11,350
have a Truman bathroom I mean what do

1350
01:07:18,420 --> 01:07:15,940
you think about his experiences that's

1351
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:18,430
your article Adam Adam generally did the

1352
01:07:21,540 --> 01:07:19,930
first half of the alphabet and I

1353
01:07:26,010 --> 01:07:21,550
generally did the second half of the

1354
01:07:29,250 --> 01:07:26,020
alphabet although Adam ended right how

1355
01:07:31,590 --> 01:07:29,260
many entries are there in the how many

1356
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:31,600
entries are there in the book I haven't

1357
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:35,890
seen a copy I you know I mean I need to

1358
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:39,310
get a hold of a copy here but that are

1359
01:07:44,970 --> 01:07:42,210
in the book I will get you copy Tim I

1360
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:44,980
was actually counting them before the

1361
01:07:49,140 --> 01:07:47,350
show cuz I thought you might ask ask

1362
01:07:55,860 --> 01:07:49,150
that question I was thinking off the top

1363
01:07:59,790 --> 01:07:55,870
of my head 50 but it's more like a

1364
01:08:02,430 --> 01:07:59,800
hundred yeah there's a lot I mean I like

1365
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:02,440
I said there that probably fully a third

1366
01:08:06,350 --> 01:08:04,090
of the people in there I'd never heard

1367
01:08:08,010 --> 01:08:06,360
of and that made me really happy

1368
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:08,020
including the ones you know that's

1369
01:08:10,890 --> 01:08:09,610
because people I saw something on

1370
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:10,900
Facebook the other day it's like has

1371
01:08:14,460 --> 01:08:12,610
anybody seen this book is it just a

1372
01:08:16,290 --> 01:08:14,470
retread or what cuz that's what use it

1373
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,300
and I actually came in and said no we

1374
01:08:18,660 --> 01:08:17,920
found a lot of new people the person was

1375
01:08:20,190 --> 01:08:18,670
like oh okay

1376
01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:20,200
he didn't expect the author to actually

1377
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:25,240
come in and say hey let me take a letter

1378
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:27,940
of the alphabet D who do you got under D

1379
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:32,170
you know there's not a lot of DS I think

1380
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:34,570
there's only one D oddly yeah a little

1381
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:34,930
hike

1382
01:08:40,300 --> 01:08:36,290
yeah that's woody Durr

1383
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:40,310
and I thought it's interesting it's

1384
01:08:46,420 --> 01:08:43,060
interesting that you asked that because

1385
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:46,430
when I was going through the table of

1386
01:08:52,570 --> 01:08:48,799
contactees that's what it's called

1387
01:08:55,809 --> 01:08:52,580
but there's there's only one D which is

1388
01:09:06,130 --> 01:08:55,819
awfully strange and it's woody

1389
01:09:16,599 --> 01:09:06,140
derenberger oh why is the question I

1390
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:16,609
don't know I bet you don't have you

1391
01:09:28,210 --> 01:09:25,490
haven't see there's no Z and no Q now

1392
01:09:30,849 --> 01:09:28,220
dirty burgers Darrin burgers another

1393
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:30,859
interesting one he's like Paulina PVE

1394
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:36,140
and a few of these other ones that you

1395
01:09:41,140 --> 01:09:39,410
know they had a Air Force people came

1396
01:09:44,590 --> 01:09:41,150
out and he was interviewed by the

1397
01:09:48,190 --> 01:09:44,600
television stations and once again it

1398
01:09:52,090 --> 01:09:48,200
was like Simonton this guy seems legit

1399
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:52,100
he has no reason to be making up the

1400
01:09:58,900 --> 01:09:54,890
story but you know the story got pretty

1401
01:10:02,140 --> 01:09:58,910
bizarre it did well I meant to woody a

1402
01:10:03,780 --> 01:10:02,150
few times he when I had in fact they

1403
01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:03,790
just found the brochure the other day

1404
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:07,550
when we had the New York's Arts and

1405
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:10,730
Sciences was one of the first metal

1406
01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:12,890
centers in the country he came into town

1407
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:17,060
we got him on Long John and he lectured

1408
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:19,010
for us are there a couple hundred people

1409
01:10:24,910 --> 01:10:21,290
who showed up and he spent the evening

1410
01:10:29,290 --> 01:10:24,920
with his author Herald Harbor in our

1411
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:29,300
account the center and I believe if I

1412
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:30,320
remember correctly

1413
01:10:34,510 --> 01:10:32,510
witch hazel stayed over that night and

1414
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:34,520
slept in her coffin and on the way to

1415
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:36,530
the restroom Harold covered fell into

1416
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:40,790
the coffin it's a lot of weird a lot of

1417
01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:43,550
weird [\h__\h] went on I mean we we didn't

1418
01:10:48,100 --> 01:10:45,500
have your normal metaphysical center

1419
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:48,110
here I mean you know it would blow some

1420
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:50,210
people's minds to say

1421
01:10:58,300 --> 01:10:53,570
what was your gut about me what was your

1422
01:11:00,700 --> 01:10:58,310
gut feeling about what my okay my gut

1423
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:00,710
feeling about any of these contact these

1424
01:11:06,340 --> 01:11:04,010
were most of them some of them are I

1425
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:06,350
wouldn't say I get hucksters because

1426
01:11:12,010 --> 01:11:10,010
there's no real money to be made in this

1427
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:12,020
unless you enjoy traveling and sleeping

1428
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:16,490
on people's couches some things that

1429
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:20,530
they don't you think it would go beyond

1430
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:29,830
and they want to get a message across

1431
01:11:36,580 --> 01:11:33,400
there it was it was kind of the early

1432
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:36,590
hippie movement to some degree I mean he

1433
01:11:41,230 --> 01:11:37,820
didn't have long or anything like that

1434
01:11:43,450 --> 01:11:41,240
but if it was peace love and and and and

1435
01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:43,460
all you know and all of that and I Tim

1436
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:45,230
let me interrupt you here Tim let me

1437
01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:47,450
interrupt you because we have to go to

1438
01:11:51,730 --> 01:11:49,880
our bottom of the hour breaks when we

1439
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:51,740
come back we'll continue with more out

1440
01:12:01,600 --> 01:11:53,360
peace love and the space brothers on

1441
01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:05,750
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1442
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:08,340
two of the most electrifying researchers

1443
01:12:15,970 --> 01:12:11,340
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy

1444
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:18,650
welcome back to the final segment of

1445
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,520
exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Schwarz

1446
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:22,560
tonight we're talking with Adam go

1447
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:25,290
rightly and Greg Bishop about their book

1448
01:12:33,470 --> 01:12:29,970
a is for Adamski dealing with the the

1449
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:33,480
colorful characters of the the early

1450
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,000
Flying Saucer contactee era and guys

1451
01:12:46,370 --> 01:12:41,760
typically he made a good comment that I

1452
01:12:51,230 --> 01:12:46,380
want to follow up on where he said that

1453
01:12:53,780 --> 01:12:51,240
a lot of these characters were like the

1454
01:12:59,740 --> 01:12:53,790
the early hippies and if you know you

1455
01:13:01,880 --> 01:12:59,750
look at a lot of the the 1950s

1456
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:01,890
contactees and the message that they're

1457
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:06,210
going now very much they seem to be like

1458
01:13:12,170 --> 01:13:08,610
the precursor to the whole you know

1459
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:12,180
hippie counterculture movement that came

1460
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:13,800
you know about you know 10 15 years

1461
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:22,050
later Gregg take it away I could take it

1462
01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:24,300
away - I think I talked about this on

1463
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:31,410
cocaine before I go yeah well you know

1464
01:13:34,730 --> 01:13:33,210
there's a there's a tradition of drop

1465
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,740
out culture in the United States going

1466
01:13:38,150 --> 01:13:36,000
all the way I mean you know you can

1467
01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:38,160
consider the first colonists to be drop

1468
01:13:43,940 --> 01:13:42,240
out culture people but I think there's

1469
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:43,950
precursors of it and you know in the

1470
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:45,990
diggers and some of the labor movements

1471
01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:49,530
and some of the other people that just

1472
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:51,630
wanted to say look that the rest of

1473
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:53,850
society sucks and we're gonna start our

1474
01:13:58,340 --> 01:13:56,970
own and that's been going on in the

1475
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:58,350
United States since the beginning as I

1476
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:00,780
said but the you know the contactees I

1477
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:02,490
think we're just a new version of that

1478
01:14:08,810 --> 01:14:06,480
and then a whole you know new thing of a

1479
01:14:09,050 --> 01:14:08,820
new establishment to contend with and

1480
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:09,060
that

1481
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:11,370
establishment could destroy the planet

1482
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:14,010
in a few minutes and I think that's what

1483
01:14:17,690 --> 01:14:15,930
drove a lot of what was going on in the

1484
01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:17,700
contactee movement was one a sense of

1485
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:20,220
powerlessness and and taking that power

1486
01:14:24,740 --> 01:14:23,130
back and two you know fears about you

1487
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:24,750
know an atomic nightmare about the whole

1488
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:26,850
world being blown up and the what's the

1489
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:28,920
first thing that you know most of these

1490
01:14:32,390 --> 01:14:30,210
aliens said when they talked to people

1491
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:32,400
host stop making those atomic weapons of

1492
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,960
course they did because that was the

1493
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:35,460
biggest fear everybody had at the time

1494
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:37,470
and you know if you could have a sort of

1495
01:14:42,230 --> 01:14:39,150
I guess

1496
01:14:44,270 --> 01:14:42,240
aliens ex machina to sort of save us and

1497
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:44,280
if we didn't save ourselves maybe that's

1498
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:45,480
what people would have more faith in

1499
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:47,490
than somebody saying well Jesus I'll

1500
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:49,890
keep the bombs from going from from from

1501
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:51,630
being launched but you know but they

1502
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:52,890
didn't have the technical know-how that

1503
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:54,930
the aliens had to keep these bombs from

1504
01:14:59,870 --> 01:14:57,600
being launched so yeah it was a birth of

1505
01:15:03,290 --> 01:14:59,880
a new various new religions a new

1506
01:15:05,450 --> 01:15:03,300
movement and that that those messages

1507
01:15:07,730 --> 01:15:05,460
are still being you know sent to people

1508
01:15:10,220 --> 01:15:07,740
now it's just that this was a new thing

1509
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:10,230
in the nineteenth late 40s early 50s

1510
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:12,300
when people realized yeah we could be

1511
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:14,610
vaporized and you know in seconds and

1512
01:15:19,250 --> 01:15:15,360
not even know it

1513
01:15:20,750 --> 01:15:19,260
so and that you know and that drop out

1514
01:15:23,540 --> 01:15:20,760
culture led into another drop out

1515
01:15:25,220 --> 01:15:23,550
culture as soon as the the baby boomers

1516
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:25,230
came of age and that became the hippy

1517
01:15:28,970 --> 01:15:27,330
movement before that young you know

1518
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:28,980
concurrent with the contactees you had

1519
01:15:31,850 --> 01:15:30,330
the beatniks which was another type of

1520
01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:31,860
dropout movement that was against the

1521
01:15:38,210 --> 01:15:33,450
establishment route for different

1522
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:38,220
reasons yeah I was gonna weigh in with

1523
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:41,040
the beat movement out of the poetry

1524
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:44,010
coming out of that scene was totally you

1525
01:15:51,050 --> 01:15:47,160
know these poems about how the atomic

1526
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,060
bombs were evil you know getting the

1527
01:15:58,090 --> 01:15:53,280
same message it was coming from North on

1528
01:16:02,540 --> 01:15:58,100
that we had to elevate above this and

1529
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:02,550
transcend our human warlike ways were

1530
01:16:09,860 --> 01:16:06,930
still having these arguments today well

1531
01:16:11,780 --> 01:16:09,870
you know the FBI the FBI investigated

1532
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:11,790
some of these guys anything that they

1533
01:16:18,110 --> 01:16:13,290
are thought that they were communists

1534
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,120
yeah that's something else I did a

1535
01:16:22,910 --> 01:16:20,640
little spill on this on coast to coast

1536
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:22,920
and I am pointed out some of

1537
01:16:30,350 --> 01:16:25,830
Nik Redferns work where he dug up a lot

1538
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:30,360
of that the freedom of information stuff

1539
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:32,730
and the lot of the FBI investigations

1540
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:34,290
they were looking at these dudes it's

1541
01:16:38,770 --> 01:16:36,690
like what's that what's going on with

1542
01:16:42,410 --> 01:16:38,780
[Laughter]

1543
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:42,420
Adamski and Van Tassel or you know or

1544
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:46,250
they have they been infiltrated by the

1545
01:16:52,460 --> 01:16:49,260
Communists or whatever the same stuff

1546
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:52,470
they were you know with the anti-war

1547
01:16:58,630 --> 01:16:55,260
movement of the 60s and that you know

1548
01:17:02,930 --> 01:16:58,640
there was some infiltration by whatever

1549
01:17:06,370 --> 01:17:02,940
subversive movements in a lot of those

1550
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:06,380
organizations with pro-russian or

1551
01:17:13,820 --> 01:17:10,970
whatever subversive messages you know

1552
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:13,830
well a lot of these counties I mean they

1553
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:16,530
they talked about you know the messages

1554
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:18,630
that they receive that you know these

1555
01:17:24,740 --> 01:17:21,360
outerspace civilizations were you know

1556
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:24,750
utopian you know moneyless classless

1557
01:17:28,700 --> 01:17:26,970
societies and there you go back yeah

1558
01:17:33,620 --> 01:17:28,710
back in the 50s I mean oh that's

1559
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:33,630
communist yeah well it raised an eyebrow

1560
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:36,360
at least or it got you know something

1561
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:37,980
some people in government gone what

1562
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:39,450
what's going on here is this a

1563
01:17:56,450 --> 01:17:43,860
propaganda campaign you know what you

1564
01:18:00,500 --> 01:17:56,460
may well and so are there do we see any

1565
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:00,510
any influence narrow here in the 21st

1566
01:18:08,660 --> 01:18:03,930
century from the contactee movement I

1567
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:08,670
mean you know I know that the UFOs in

1568
01:18:13,340 --> 01:18:11,730
general you know you know now really

1569
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:13,350
with the exception of possibly don't

1570
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:15,090
like pop culture cartoons and things

1571
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:19,410
like that doesn't quite have the

1572
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:22,440
influence that it did in the 50s but or

1573
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:28,050
do we see any remnants nowadays I'm not

1574
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:31,650
sure that we do mm-hmm I don't know if

1575
01:18:36,470 --> 01:18:33,330
we do either but you know the the the

1576
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:36,480
will to believe something that

1577
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:38,130
this used to be fringy it's like no

1578
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:40,890
those crazy people now you've got the

1579
01:18:43,460 --> 01:18:42,330
you know what I don't know what would

1580
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:43,470
happen if the internet was available

1581
01:18:47,420 --> 01:18:45,690
during the classic contact D days it

1582
01:18:49,820 --> 01:18:47,430
might have been they might have taken

1583
01:18:54,729 --> 01:18:49,830
over the government it would have yeah

1584
01:18:57,160 --> 01:18:54,739
[Laughter]

1585
01:19:04,220 --> 01:18:57,170
Trump would be tweeting about his

1586
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:04,230
favorite sayings fourth on people the

1587
01:19:11,690 --> 01:19:09,450
ability to be able to find something to

1588
01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:11,700
back up anything your stupid little mind

1589
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:15,390
comes up with is so easy now that it's a

1590
01:19:19,930 --> 01:19:17,610
it's a you know they couldn't you know

1591
01:19:21,890 --> 01:19:19,940
couldn't happen it's so dispersed

1592
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:21,900
everything is splintered into tiny

1593
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:23,489
little groups doing this and that like I

1594
01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:24,690
said you know there's there's love and

1595
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:27,860
light alien people there's some there's

1596
01:19:32,050 --> 01:19:29,820
cooperating with the government alien

1597
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:32,060
people there's and there's you know

1598
01:19:39,250 --> 01:19:35,610
wacky right-wing Nazi alien people and

1599
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:39,260
that actually that's been kind of a a

1600
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:42,090
theme throughout actually contact one of

1601
01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:43,980
the first people that was would talked

1602
01:19:48,020 --> 01:19:46,500
about contact with with other beings

1603
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:48,030
other worlds was William Dudley Pelley

1604
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:53,330
right right at him yeah and yeah he had

1605
01:19:58,610 --> 01:19:57,090
well we know his history with the silver

1606
01:20:03,140 --> 01:19:58,620
shirts and all that and he claimed

1607
01:20:06,470 --> 01:20:03,150
contacts with ascended masters or yeah

1608
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:06,480
beans from serious that influenced him

1609
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:10,130
but yeah getting back to your question

1610
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,280
Tim I it seems like the the best what's

1611
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,440
the word the best angels or the best

1612
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:21,900
vibes that came out of the contactee

1613
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:24,410
movement have pretty much fizzled out

1614
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:28,170
mMmmm I think you know by the 70s or so

1615
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:33,239
and it got replaced by its what Jerome

1616
01:20:43,330 --> 01:20:38,010
Clarke calls the what he's called the

1617
01:20:45,890 --> 01:20:43,340
Dark Age or the darkside of ufology song

1618
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:45,900
memory yeah very much so yeah I

1619
01:20:50,190 --> 01:20:47,880
definitely believe that you know he said

1620
01:20:54,660 --> 01:20:50,200
you know the the early contact

1621
01:20:58,260 --> 01:20:54,670
I mean it basically was a resurgence of

1622
01:21:00,300 --> 01:20:58,270
the New Age movements from the 30s and

1623
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:00,310
40s you know they just took on the face

1624
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:02,200
you know instead of ascended masters or

1625
01:21:07,170 --> 01:21:05,170
angels they're now UFO people and then

1626
01:21:11,780 --> 01:21:07,180
you know probably started what you know

1627
01:21:14,610 --> 01:21:11,790
maybe in the early 70s they got

1628
01:21:19,950 --> 01:21:14,620
supplanted by the you know abductions

1629
01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:19,960
and you know probing fun things like

1630
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:23,950
that well and the the contactee movement

1631
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:27,370
was was really hated by people who

1632
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:37,020
yeah its recordings of some of those

1633
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,040
people saying we just can't stand these

1634
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:41,440
types of people that are not doing this

1635
01:21:45,900 --> 01:21:42,970
scientifically it's like yeah that

1636
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:45,910
that's still going on now if we only

1637
01:21:49,530 --> 01:21:47,890
believed it if only science would come

1638
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:49,540
and save us it would say you know would

1639
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:52,540
change everything to be perfect you know

1640
01:21:58,470 --> 01:21:55,210
that's one thing that I become convinced

1641
01:22:02,850 --> 01:21:58,480
of science has very little to do with

1642
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:02,860
this because to me it this is what what

1643
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:08,590
we call it a were science we have for

1644
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,780
sure I mean to prove anything

1645
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:12,400
scientifically how do you prove a UFO in

1646
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:15,850
a lab I mean it just you know I mean

1647
01:22:20,940 --> 01:22:18,010
maybe you can create more lightning or

1648
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:20,950
plasma or something like that but that's

1649
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:25,570
not you know UFOs as we we we we know

1650
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:28,860
them these are what I call just

1651
01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:31,750
anomalies and maybe no two UFOs are the

1652
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:35,560
same so I thought they're really based

1653
01:22:39,570 --> 01:22:37,840
on who who sees them I mean there's a

1654
01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:39,580
very there's a lot of evidence that

1655
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:41,200
what's going on and you are both

1656
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:42,490
sighting is something happening between

1657
01:22:46,620 --> 01:22:44,050
the witness or witnesses and the

1658
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,630
phenomenon not some physical thing that

1659
01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:48,400
you could go up and you know kick the

1660
01:22:52,770 --> 01:22:50,440
tires up yeah

1661
01:22:55,020 --> 01:22:52,780
it affects people to you you know I

1662
01:22:56,970 --> 01:22:55,030
wrote an essay about UFOs being a cosmic

1663
01:22:58,830 --> 01:22:56,980
art movement if you can create the kind

1664
01:23:00,270 --> 01:22:58,840
of change in somebody's life that a UFO

1665
01:23:03,330 --> 01:23:00,280
could you'd probably be the most famous

1666
01:23:03,700 --> 01:23:03,340
rich artist in the world because there's

1667
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:03,710
just

1668
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:05,989
so much going on there and it's it

1669
01:23:12,010 --> 01:23:08,450
completely up ends all your if you've

1670
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:12,020
got a sore it's about how real art or be

1671
01:23:15,340 --> 01:23:13,010
a musician

1672
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:15,350
yeah and it mows all those those things

1673
01:23:19,630 --> 01:23:17,060
now yes some people are very well

1674
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:19,640
disposed to this and they just integrate

1675
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:21,050
it and during their cosmology but other

1676
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:22,730
people are driven nuts and to suicide

1677
01:23:26,590 --> 01:23:24,170
and they leave their families and all

1678
01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:26,600
kinds of stuff so well you know my story

1679
01:23:33,459 --> 01:23:30,350
I on LSD I saw UFOs so I integrated it

1680
01:23:35,650 --> 01:23:33,469
but it was never something that I could

1681
01:23:40,209 --> 01:23:35,660
go that was a good analogy kick the

1682
01:23:42,700 --> 01:23:40,219
tires yeah because I don't know if

1683
01:23:44,260 --> 01:23:42,710
there's like you know same thing with I

1684
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:44,270
think with Bigfoot or some some of the

1685
01:23:47,170 --> 01:23:45,650
Loch Ness monster I don't think there's

1686
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:47,180
any tires to get there there might be

1687
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:50,719
for though he'll kick his toes yeah kick

1688
01:23:53,979 --> 01:23:52,010
his toes there might be for a little

1689
01:23:57,430 --> 01:23:53,989
while but not in the way that we think

1690
01:23:58,810 --> 01:23:57,440
that you know you know checking tires

1691
01:24:00,940 --> 01:23:58,820
are throwing a rock at something or

1692
01:24:02,650 --> 01:24:00,950
whatever those that that doesn't apply I

1693
01:24:04,450 --> 01:24:02,660
think with a lot of this paranormal

1694
01:24:06,729 --> 01:24:04,460
stuff it's in another paradigm that

1695
01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:06,739
we're not used to yet all those you know

1696
01:24:12,430 --> 01:24:08,630
people that are in information theory

1697
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:12,440
and quantum physics and even I had Aaron

1698
01:24:17,229 --> 01:24:14,630
Wargo who's a really good interview

1699
01:24:19,630 --> 01:24:17,239
about retro causality and how the future

1700
01:24:21,220 --> 01:24:19,640
affects the past and how the human brain

1701
01:24:24,190 --> 01:24:21,230
is the best quantum computer ever

1702
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:24,200
invented all these these frogs it all

1703
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:26,210
goes back to physical evidence though

1704
01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:29,330
you know it's like I heard your friend

1705
01:24:35,410 --> 01:24:32,450
Diane bazooka talk about you know she

1706
01:24:38,650 --> 01:24:35,420
was involved in collecting physical

1707
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:38,660
evidence that seems to be the linchpin

1708
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:40,790
for a lot of people it always comes back

1709
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:44,120
to that can we actually collect some

1710
01:24:49,630 --> 01:24:46,610
type of physical evidence that we can

1711
01:24:52,959 --> 01:24:49,640
take back to the lab and the argument

1712
01:24:56,110 --> 01:24:52,969
you know is that well we know about

1713
01:24:59,200 --> 01:24:56,120
where we had these crashes or these

1714
01:25:02,140 --> 01:24:59,210
sites and let's go out there and but

1715
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:02,150
never seen you know I think you can and

1716
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:04,340
I think you can examine them but I don't

1717
01:25:07,209 --> 01:25:05,930
think what kind of the the kind of

1718
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:07,219
physical evidence that people are

1719
01:25:11,590 --> 01:25:09,890
expecting or that is classical physio

1720
01:25:13,209 --> 01:25:11,600
physical evidence there so I think

1721
01:25:14,430 --> 01:25:13,219
there's other factors going on there

1722
01:25:17,820 --> 01:25:14,440
we we

1723
01:25:20,940 --> 01:25:17,830
perfect yeah that seems to where the

1724
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:20,950
argument always leads back to we need

1725
01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:23,080
some type of physical evidence to prove

1726
01:25:30,150 --> 01:25:25,180
this thing yeah we definition of

1727
01:25:33,390 --> 01:25:30,160
physical evidence or we had the best

1728
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:33,400
physical evidence guy on the show a John

1729
01:25:40,410 --> 01:25:36,930
Peel and his alien glove artifact which

1730
01:25:42,210 --> 01:25:40,420
is what when they divorce the the his

1731
01:25:44,420 --> 01:25:42,220
wife ended up taking the glove so it's

1732
01:25:52,130 --> 01:25:44,430
wrong but I've got photographs just

1733
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:54,750
visited you the night before but that's

1734
01:26:00,090 --> 01:25:58,000
they no no yeah well you'd have to

1735
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:00,100
listen to the the the show but he found

1736
01:26:05,700 --> 01:26:02,650
it in the desert and the glove is a real

1737
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:05,710
miniature little the glove and it says

1738
01:26:13,230 --> 01:26:11,230
large inside and he and he and he found

1739
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:13,240
it at a UFO crash site

1740
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,600
it says Lauren Lauren said large even

1741
01:26:24,540 --> 01:26:21,280
even though it's smaller than the palm

1742
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:24,550
of your hand yeah I I saw this thing 30

1743
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:27,610
years ago I was in Florida and and

1744
01:26:30,990 --> 01:26:29,410
somebody introduced me to him and he had

1745
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:31,000
this thing in a shoebox that he'd found

1746
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:33,730
very sincere Tim very sincere guy right

1747
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:38,590
he's no it never encompasses life he was

1748
01:26:43,140 --> 01:26:40,750
doing a charity run or something he ran

1749
01:26:44,970 --> 01:26:43,150
across an old railroad tracks and there

1750
01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:44,980
was this say he had been in the I think

1751
01:26:49,470 --> 01:26:47,260
in Vietnam were in the war right so he

1752
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:49,480
knew about aircrafts and stuff and there

1753
01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:51,010
was this aircraft there and it was like

1754
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:53,680
nothing he had ever seen and and you

1755
01:26:57,900 --> 01:26:55,330
know he scurried around and and found

1756
01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:57,910
this artifact or two of them one he

1757
01:27:02,010 --> 01:26:59,890
buried in the sand somewhere but he

1758
01:27:04,170 --> 01:27:02,020
knows where it is but he's never been

1759
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:04,180
able to get back we're trying to you

1760
01:27:09,240 --> 01:27:07,570
know like started GoFundMe site so you

1761
01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:09,250
can go back and find the other alien

1762
01:27:19,650 --> 01:27:16,240
glove sounds kind of crazy but what are

1763
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:19,660
you talking about crazy did anything in

1764
01:27:25,820 --> 01:27:22,180
your well what's this have to do with

1765
01:27:28,270 --> 01:27:25,830
aliens he found the glove was a reciting

1766
01:27:31,390 --> 01:27:28,280
whether you actually yes to you

1767
01:27:32,740 --> 01:27:31,400
followed him back and created a storm it

1768
01:27:35,650 --> 01:27:32,750
was like they were trying to get the

1769
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:35,660
physical evidence back yeah

1770
01:27:43,900 --> 01:27:40,660
no I'm not I'm not saying crazy well the

1771
01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:43,910
picture I see yeah the picture I saw of

1772
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,040
it and from his description I mean it

1773
01:27:51,340 --> 01:27:48,560
sounds like it was part of you know like

1774
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:51,350
a pressure suit the way that you know

1775
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:54,320
the way it the way it zipped on the

1776
01:27:59,260 --> 01:27:56,930
inside and and the way that the sleeve

1777
01:28:01,690 --> 01:27:59,270
fitted so I mean we were speculating

1778
01:28:04,150 --> 01:28:01,700
that possibly it was part of one of the

1779
01:28:06,330 --> 01:28:04,160
early you know like flights where they

1780
01:28:09,370 --> 01:28:06,340
used like monkeys or chimpanzees as

1781
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:09,380
pilots oh I found a book in the library

1782
01:28:13,540 --> 01:28:11,810
what was it called them did you see that

1783
01:28:16,300 --> 01:28:13,550
one Adam that I found it was called the

1784
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:16,310
I always called them flying saucers

1785
01:28:28,090 --> 01:28:25,060
library there is a UCLA library yeah

1786
01:28:32,730 --> 01:28:28,100
they have a massive UFO book collection

1787
01:28:36,340 --> 01:28:32,740
and what I found was this that's this

1788
01:28:39,070 --> 01:28:36,350
photocopied Xerox 1970s monograph by

1789
01:28:42,130 --> 01:28:39,080
some guy called but yeah called flying

1790
01:28:44,170 --> 01:28:42,140
saucers monkey business so I had to take

1791
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,180
a look I was like what the hell and what

1792
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:47,360
it was is this like this guy had the

1793
01:28:52,660 --> 01:28:50,450
author had his theory was that every

1794
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:52,670
single UFO crash that had been reported

1795
01:28:57,130 --> 01:28:54,890
that supposedly had aliens in it or

1796
01:29:04,210 --> 01:28:57,140
because of United States government

1797
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:04,220
tests with monkeys oh my gosh flying

1798
01:29:09,580 --> 01:29:08,090
saucers monkey business and I truly

1799
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:09,590
would love to find a copy of that for

1800
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:12,890
sale somewhere just title so they tried

1801
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:18,880
to sneak it out I'm not gonna steal one

1802
01:29:25,660 --> 01:29:22,490
of the first UFO books about 1948 or 49

1803
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:25,670
was flying saucers up a tree I think it

1804
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:36,560
was called that's a great okay tell us

1805
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:41,120
the story - I like to go down I've never

1806
01:29:45,740 --> 01:29:41,850
I've never

1807
01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:45,750
the book yeah I don't know the story on

1808
01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:46,200
there

1809
01:29:55,300 --> 01:29:49,050
so I'm out on a limb over the trees I

1810
01:29:57,650 --> 01:29:55,310
can't tell you that man okay now so

1811
01:30:02,060 --> 01:29:57,660
between the between the two of you you

1812
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:02,070
know but both of you which which story

1813
01:30:10,010 --> 01:30:05,970
in your book do you think is probably

1814
01:30:11,150 --> 01:30:10,020
the most batshit crazy story out of all

1815
01:30:12,740 --> 01:30:11,160
of them you know there's some of them

1816
01:30:14,930 --> 01:30:12,750
you know they they seem to be pretty

1817
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,940
serious and sincere and others you're

1818
01:30:22,670 --> 01:30:17,280
just like who they were off their med

1819
01:30:25,010 --> 01:30:22,680
big time a guy named Lee Childers who

1820
01:30:30,350 --> 01:30:25,020
was Prince Nia son and I'm sure Tim

1821
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:30,360
probably met him - never never met he

1822
01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:32,100
was kidding he was kicked off the Long

1823
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:34,380
John shop well yeah that was his claim

1824
01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:37,290
to fame he was like he was so off the

1825
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:39,270
wall that he was the only one that was

1826
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:42,090
ever kicked that Long John kicked off

1827
01:30:48,980 --> 01:30:45,930
this show because he was too bizarre but

1828
01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:48,990
this guy off the top of my head he he

1829
01:30:55,340 --> 01:30:51,710
was a baker in Detroit and somehow had a

1830
01:30:58,880 --> 01:30:55,350
vision and claimed that he made these

1831
01:31:01,100 --> 01:30:58,890
claims like he went on more flying

1832
01:31:04,340 --> 01:31:01,110
saucer trips than anybody

1833
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:04,350
there was like 250 and these on these oh

1834
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:07,320
one of one of his things was he's

1835
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:10,010
claimed that he got sick on one of the

1836
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:14,250
Flying Saucer flights and he had to hang

1837
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:16,650
his head out a porthole and throw up I

1838
01:31:26,990 --> 01:31:24,690
don't know how so he gave a big press

1839
01:31:29,060 --> 01:31:27,000
conference in New York and it was around

1840
01:31:32,810 --> 01:31:29,070
the same time as the Long John Neville

1841
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:32,820
thing and he claimed that he had some

1842
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:35,520
type of rejuvenation machine and that

1843
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:37,830
the men in black had killed him a number

1844
01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:40,890
of times but then he'd been rejuvenated

1845
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,080
by it then he went on Long John nibel

1846
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:46,020
and claimed that they were gonna have a

1847
01:31:54,170 --> 01:31:49,710
UFO show up outside overhead and it was

1848
01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:54,180
going to rebroadcast that episode around

1849
01:32:01,390 --> 01:31:55,410
the planet

1850
01:32:07,490 --> 01:32:04,970
frustrated and thought this is such BS

1851
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:07,500
that he just gave him the boot from the

1852
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:11,280
show one other anecdote really is by the

1853
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:19,040
gaff yeah was another anecdote was that

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Van Tassel who was pretty he never

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talked bad about any other contactees

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but he had a bee in his bonnet about

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leech leech ill ders because Lee

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Childers had bad teeth this is Princeton

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and any true intergalactic traveler

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would not have bad teeth so well he

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didn't go he didn't go through the

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integratron that's where well yeah that

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01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:53,910
would you hated his teeth yeah okay who

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01:32:58,340 --> 01:32:56,010
would you say had the most UFO contacts

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I I have it down to two people

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oh god I don't know I was trying to

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answer the bat [\h__\h] saying I think I

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think it'd be a good no I actually I

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don't get that [\h__\h] okay be a tie

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between when you look here maybe for me

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it'd be a tie between Richard shaver and

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oh who is the other one

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well Billy Meyer yeah Billy Meyer is

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yeah

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they all they all claimed at one time or

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another that they had whatever hundreds

1877
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yeah

1878
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it's like you get to a certain point

1879
01:33:56,930 --> 01:33:55,140
it's like okay all right guys we're

1880
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we're only about three minutes for the

1881
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close of the show so let our audience

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know where they can find this book and

1883
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where they can find your online presence

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as well if you want to become well yeah

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just

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it's go to Amazon where everybody goes a

1887
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is for Adamski the golden age of the UFO

1888
01:34:21,860 --> 01:34:18,989
contactees I think would be the best

1889
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advice and great Greek has other things

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going on

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Mysterio so Mis ter iOS oh it's spelled

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like it is in Spanish since I'm from

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Southern California second best show on

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the Internet yes you're right thank you

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01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:40,469
so much it is a good one yeah both T it

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is just and yeah and of course Tim Tim s

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mentions my books at the beginning there

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thank you so much

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01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:50,880
there's there's far more books by Adam

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girl rightly than I have the last one

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was that I did was it defies language

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which I'm actually I'm very happy and

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proud of come on come on Adam what about

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a couple years other books oh yeah

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01:35:09,490 --> 01:35:06,480
they're on it let me think a story of

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01:35:14,090 --> 01:35:09,500
the scordia I mean it's very topics I

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01:35:18,860 --> 01:35:14,100
delved into discordianism and in a few

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books and Charles Manson as well the

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01:35:25,970 --> 01:35:21,510
shadow over Santa Susana then a kind of

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01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:25,980
trap travel log book that's called what

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the hell's a copy trails the high

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01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:30,300
weirdness thanks Greg conspiracy

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01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:32,910
theorist tour guide it's yeah it gets

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hard to remember a lot of the titles all

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right guys I'm gonna have to shut y'all

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down

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alright thank you when you have 305

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titles don't forget our YouTube channel

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01:35:48,620 --> 01:35:44,940
mr. UFO secret files and the forthcoming

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we hope Jeff the talking Mongoose should

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be out next week God willing and KDP

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getting their [\h__\h] together

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[Music]

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good night all you've been listening to

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